Harry learning from Snape (was: stopper death)

[totorivers]

No: HPFGUIDX 114407

SSSusan:
> Harry has understandably been frustrated and angered by Snape's 
> treatment of him, but I have my doubts that Snape will see any 
> reason to or show any interest in changing *his* behavior towards 
> Harry, so if things are going to change, I think Harry will simply 
> have to decide, "Hey, we're supposedly on the same side.  It's 
> going to kill me, but I'm going to SHUT OUT all the crap he throws
> at me, and just work.  I'm going to SHOW HIM that I'm not a stupid, 
> arrogant, strutting git."
> 
> <snip> Harry has learned *some* from Snape, but (again, understandably,
> imo) he's not learned all he could because of the "stuff" that's gotten
> in the way.  I want to see Harry work around the "stuff" and prove he 
> is becoming a mature man who knows that he MUST master his emotions 
> and take responsibility for learning what he needs to learn.


Toto:
  But that kind of maturing doesn't exist. You could put even some 
kind of peace model prize and put them with a teacher who hates 
their guts and you'll get nothing, or only a minimum. It's mentally 
impossible, a student has to respect a teacher, and Snape is a 
feared teacher, not a respected one.

   Furthermore, there is the problem of occlumency: it's a class 
about the mind, and in those class, either there is a great link of 
mentor.favoritepupil, or nothing can be done. Harry *feel*s Snape's 
hate, and so on during those lessons. As Dumbledore said in the last 
chapter of OotP, it was a serious miscalculation on his part to put 
Snape with Harry. I understand he would want to give Snape a last 
chance before throwing him out of the order (figuratively 
speaking, as there are chances that the order become Harry's, if 
Snape doesn't change his attitude he will be come a liability, if he 
isn't one already), but he was waay too idealistic in this case.