Snape and Lucius ages Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: "Lapdog" and "snivel"

[Hannah]

No: HPFGUIDX 115063



> feklar wrote:
> > I always thought the LM/SS childhood relationship was fannon and 
> > the lapdog comment referred to LM being an infamous and powerful 
> > DE. I think SB thinks LM was probably as powerful as a DE as he 
> > clearly is in everyday life, and Snape was probably a potions-
> > making nobody much as he is in real life. 
> 
Hannah: No, I think there's more to it than that.  Note Snape's 
favouritist treatment of Draco (even more so than of other 
Slytherins), the way Draco speaks to Snape, and that Lucius 
speaks 'most highly' of Snape to Umbridge.  

Yb wrote:> > When Harry was in his fifth year, SS was 36. In OOTP, 
Lucius is 41-
> > -five years older than Snape. When Snape was 11, LM was 16, 
> > that's a hell of an age gap to overcome, especially for a
> > teenager who is more likely to be both socially selfish and self-
> > conscious. In my RL experience, I can't think of a 16 y-o I knew 
> > who would willingly spend time with an 11 y-o for anything other 
> > than money (i.e. babysitting). While I can imagine an 11 yo 
might idolize an older student, I can't see why a 16 y-o LM would 
have  any interest in a kid, any kid, five years behind him.
> 
Hannah: I agree with that, Yb.  I don't think the relationship was 
ever a friendship between equals.  I always take that term 'gang' 
very loosely, especially since it comes from the perceptions of 
Sirius, an outsider who'd have not had much idea what really went on 
in the Slytherin common room.  I expect Dennis Creevy would assure 
everyone he was in Potter's 'gang,' and people from other houses 
might see it like that from their limited knowledge.  But in actual 
fact, Dennis does relatively little socialising with Harry.

Yb continued:> Picture this: Little Sevvie comes into Hogwarts 
knowing plenty of 
> hexes and curses and the like. Plus, he is a Potions professor, so 
> he must have had a knack for brewing things. These sort of things, 
> especially the hexes part, would show up rather early in his 
career at Hogwarts, like the first time some of the other students 
started teasing him about being thin, pale, and probably greasy-
haired. Sevvie would fire a couple of hexes and send the tormentors 
running for cover, and little Lucius would take notice.
> 
Hannah: My theory is that Severus didn't know as many curses as 
Sirius thinks, at least, not immediately.  I think he was picked on 
by a gang of students from another house, and prefect Lucius saw 
what was going on, and stepped in out of house loyalty.  He's heard 
of the name 'Snape' and knows they're 'the right sort.'  So he takes 
malicious pleasure in teaching little Sevvie some curses so he can 
defend himself.  Snape thinks Lucius is wonderful for this, and 
Lucius gains a younger boy who's willing to run errands for him.

>Yb wrote: I would imagine that LM was a DE at the beginning. Maybe 
his father was one too, and recruited Junior, or maybe his 
grandfather was one 
> of those in Tom Riddle's "inner circle" of friends. Either way, LM 
> was probably a DE by the time he left Hogwarts. So he had two 
years to notice Severus Snape, and recruit him into his gang, which 
would 
> probably be a prelude to joining the DEs after graduation.
> 
Hannah: I don't imagine people becoming DE's until after Hogwarts, 
or at least until they're of age.  I can't imagine LV having any 
patience with a gaggle of children who aren't allowed to do magic 
outside of school.  Of course, there may be some kind of 'junior DE' 
oraganisation, but I think it would be risky at Hogwarts.  LV never 
dared interfere at Hogwarts, and DD knows 'everything' that goes 
on.  I think he would react very strongly to anyone trying to 
recruit his students for LV's army.  There may have been whispers of 
it amongst the students, but I don't see anything too official.

Hannah