Pureblood (was Snape and Malfoy related? (was: Snape and Lucius ages)

[karen_lvssr]

No: HPFGUIDX 115378



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Gabriel Fey <gabrielfey at s...>
wrote:
> 
> Sandy wrote:
> >snip>
> > I know that at some periods/places in U.S., they even had
> > specific words for people with various proportions of black blood
in
> > them, but even if it was only 1/32, they were still considered to
be
> > black (or so Mark Twain tells us in Pudd'nhead Wilson), and I
think
> > the pureblood maniacs have a similar mindset, they just don't
bother
> > to do the math to figure out the fraction.
> 
> Gabriel now:
> 
> You're quite correct about words for people of any African descent.
I've 
> never heard them used in real life myself, but as someone with an 
> obsessive love of both Anne Rice books (which have portions set in
the 
> time when the words were used) and language, I tend to remember
them. 
> They're rather ridiculous words, like "quadroon" (1/4) or
"octoroon." (1/8)
> 
> I doubt that, in the WW, they go to such an extent as to coin
multiple 
> terms for what is basically the same prejudice - "mudblood" seems
like a 
> general enough term to use on anyone, and we haven't really seen
any 
> others in the books, unless I've missed something. However, it does
seem 
> like the blood obsession is virulent enough to make someone
half-blooded 
> if, as you suggested, their great*5 grandfather was a Muggle.
> snip>
>
> Karen trying to jump into this conversation:
Gabriel, the term that was used for persons of mixed parentage in the
Southern U.S. was 
Mulatto...and it was used as late as the late 60's.  The two examples
you gave "Quadroon" 
and "Octoroon", were very, very old terms, used mostly in the deep
south.  I am from 
Virginia and never heard the terms you used, but I did hear mulatto. 

 Anyway....I wanted to jump in here and ask a question that has been
floating around in 
my brain for a while.  Some posters keep dancing around about Lucius
Malfoy being full 
blood or not, and I am wondering if he could have himself, or his
father, fathered a child 
out of wedlock from an affair with either a muggle woman or a
half-witch? We do know that these relationships do happen via canon,
and  I know there is 
no canon to support this, but because of the great pains that JKR
went about explaining 
how rich and snobbish the Riddles were, I can't help think that she
may be giving us a clue 
about something
.
"Nobody wasted their breath pretending to feel very sad about the
Riddles, for they had 
been most unpopular.  Elderly Mr. and Mrs. Riddle had been rich,
snobbish and rude, and 
their grown-up son, Tom, had been even more so."  (GoF, UK ed., pgs.
7-8) 

 The one very rich wizarding family that
we the readers know 
about are the Malfoys, and they are also, 'most unpopular, rich,
snobbish and rude.'--this 
is the connection I see between the two.  It hit me that if we didn't
know she was writing 
about the Riddles, we would have thought that she was writing about
the Malfoys in the 
passage above.  Now, we know, or think we know that TMR's father left
his mother 
because he found out she was a witch.  But how does he (TMR) know
that?  He was placed 
in an orphanage without knowing either of his parents.  Could he have
come up with that 
scenario on his own?  And why would a woman whose husband had left
her because of 
who or what she was, name her only child after the scoundrel?  I
would want to wipe him 
off the map, not burden my only child with such a 
person's name.   And why would she give birth at a muggle hospital if
she was a witch, 
why not go to the nearest wizard hospital?  If he left her before she
gave birth she had 
time to get to the wizard hospital.  It doesn't make since to me that
she would have hung 
around if she was a witch, she could have apparated anywhere she
needed to go.  My 
thoughts on this matter comes from the Jane Austin book, Sence and
Sensibilities, It's 
listed on JKR's web site, so I think I may be on to something.  In
the book there are a 
number of "upper class" males who like to fool around with the "lower
class" females.  One 
of the characters even falls in love with someone "below" his social
standing and is forced 
by his family to turn away from her or else lose his inheritance. 
Now, what if this very 
same thing happened to TMR's parents?  What if TMR senior's parents
threatened to 
disinherit Tom if he didn't leave his wife?  What if these two were
actually in love at one 
time?  That would explain why she would have hung around in the
muggle world and 
named her baby after the man she was in love with.  It just seems to
fit.  Now if this same 
or a similar scenario happened with one of the senior Malfoy's;
threat of losing inheritance 
because of relationship with someone "unsuitable", that could give us
a HBP aka HB 
Malfoy, but the Malfoy's have kept this "dirty"secret hidden.    No
canon, I know, I know.  
Some posters heads may explode because of my theory, but I would like
to hear back from 
others on this.