DD and the rat (was:Re: Minerva McGonagall-/Dumbledore)

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Fri Oct 15 19:47:23 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 115644


 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" 
> <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
<snip>
> > Peter breaks and gets the blame - but he doesn't, because 
he did  something totally unexpected - he survived. Voldy didn't 
kill him once he'd been drained dry. There should have been 
another body at GH - the SK who gave them away. But he lived 
and the true author of the disaster must wipe him out as soon as 
possible, he probably knows more than is healthy for the 
well-being of the hidden double-dealer.<<

Nora:
> Why would Voldie kill someone who was already (so far as we 
can read  canon, and it hasn't been contradicted) his spy?  That 
part of your  argument just doesn't make sense.  IF the SK had 
been loyal, then  Voldie would have had to torture him to get the 
secret out--and there probably would have been a body 
elsewhere, *then* two bodies at GH.
> 
> I think you're arguing with the assumption that Peter wasn't 
actually  Voldie's spy already, but things work out so much more 
smoothly if  you take that canon as given and then work out why 
things happened as they did.<
> 

Pippin:
More smoothly? Could you elaborate? If Peter spied successfully 
for more than a year, why break down so quickly when Lupin 
and Sirius questioned him in the Shrieking Shack? 

They hadn't a shred of proof--all Peter had to do was tell his story 
with a little more conviction and Harry would have believed him. 
'Sirius betrayed the Potters, and I went into hiding because the 
Death Eaters who were Sirius's new friends would want 
revenge.' 

If Peter  was liar enough to bamboozle Dumbledore and the rest 
of the Order for a whole year in the old days, surely he wouldn't 
fear questioning  now?

It wasn't logic that convinced Harry, it was Sirius's sincerity. But
if Peter were the real spy, surely the appearance of sincerity 
would be second nature to him? He'd have to be as cool and 
convincing as Barty Jr to have  pulled it off in the first place.

Consider Riddle's words as he brags about framing Hagrid, "I 
admit, even *I* was surprised how well the plan worked. I 
thought *someone* must realize that Hagrid couldn't possibly be 
the Heir of Slytherin. [...]as though Hagrid had the brains, or the 
power!" [emphasis JKR's]

Does Peter have the brains or the power to have been 
Voldemort's spy for a whole year?

Pippin








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