Vengeance on Snape?Re: Snape--Abusive?

[severelysigune]

No: HPFGUIDX 115694



> > Sigune:
> > Yes, I've been wondering about that Order of Merlin too... But I 
> > think that when it comes to assessing Snape, Dumbledore might be 
a 
> > tad more reliable than Harry, so I wouldn't dismiss his comment 
> > straight away. We don't know for sure what Snape is doing in VW2, 
> > but in VW1 he was a spy, and NOT a member of the Order of the 
> > Phoenix. 
 
Syroun asks:
< Do we really know that?>

Sigune:
Well, 1) we know from OotP that he's not in the group photo of the 
Order Moody shows Harry; 2) Black is surprised to hear Snape is at 
Hogwarts in PoA, which suggests he didn't know what Snape was up to 
around the time of GH; 3) in GoF he is surprised to hear Snape was a 
DE, and he never mentions anything like, 'Goody, and there was me 
thinking he was one of us - he was in the Order, for Christ's sake!'; 
4) if Snape knew Moody as a fellow Order member, he would have no 
reason to be so nervous around Fake!Moody in GoF, and he might have 
suspected he was facing an impostor when Moody kept lashing out at 
him.


> > Sigune continues:
> > I agree that Snape appears a loner etc, but I don't think that 
> > precludes a certain craving for recognition. I also have a 
problem 
> > with the assumption that the WW at large knows that Snape was a 
> > DE. If that is so, certainly a number of his students would know 
> > so, too ("My dad says Snape's a nasty piece of work, he used to 
be 
> > a Death Eater, you know; Papa doesn't want me > to take Potions 
> > with him, he's sent Dumbledore several owls 
> > already"), and it wouldn't have been much of a discovery in GoF. 

Finally, Syroun writes:
< Does canon actually provide any proof that it was common knowledge 
that Snape was a DE? In fact, canon shows that Snape himself has to 
physically prove to Crouch Sr. that he was a DE by showing Crouch 
his dark mark to convince him, albeit unsuccessfuly of LV's return. 
It seemed to be quite a shock to Crouch.>

Sigune begs to differ:
He shows the Mark to *Fudge*. By that time, Crouch Sr is dead. Crouch 
Sr, by the way, KNEW about Snape's former DE allegiances: he had been 
the prosecutor in the DE trials, and though we aren't shown Snapes, 
we are shown Karkaroff's 'information session' in which Crouch hears 
DD mention, yet again, that Snape has switched sides.
In fact, the point I was arguing in the paragraph you quote was that 
NO, the public did not know about Snape's DE activities.

Seyroun: 
> So, how could we conclude that a person like Crouch who travels in  
many circles, would not know about Snape's DE past, if it really had 
been common knowledge?>

Sigune:
As I said, Crouch Sr DOES know.

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