DD and the rat (was:Re: Minerva McGonagall-/Dumbledore)
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Tue Oct 19 14:33:02 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 115923
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
>
> Pippin asked:
> >
> > Does Peter have the brains or the power to have been
> > Voldemort's spy for a whole year?
>
> Carol responds:
> What he did in the duel with Sirius apparently took brains,
didn't it? Blowing off his finger, turning into a rat, and making
himself look like a murder victim, whether or not he actually blew
up the street and killed the Muggles, which I think he did? (He
probably made sure that Sirius had his wand out, though, so it
looked like he did it.)
> But as for spying, all he had to do is report what happened in
the Order meetings and reveal names of Order members so the
DEs could kill them off one or two at a time. <snip>
>No lying or cleverness involved; just silence and a pretense
of horror with each new victim. <
Pippin:
Maybe I'm confused...what do you see as the difference between
'lying and cleverness' and 'pretense'? Whatever you call it, Peter
had to keep it up for a whole year, during part of which Albus
Dumbledore, who usually knows when people are lying to him,
was actively hunting among those close to the Potters for the
spy. We know Peter was close to them, since he sat between
them in the picture. Surely DD would detect that Peter's
expressions of horror were feigned?
If, OTOH, Peter was cool and clever enough to fool DD, why fall
apart in the Shack? And if that was OscarWinner!Peter, then why
would he think shifty eyes and nervous panting would add to his
portrayal of someone who thought the accusations against him
were ludicrous?
Carol:
>This is a man who, after living as a rat for twelve years, can AK
an innocent boy without a second thought.<
Pippin:
I don't object to Faith-based theories on principle, but they, too,
should simplify rather than complicate the canon. Peter killed
Cedric? You'll have to explain to me how it was simple for Peter
to put aside the bundle in his arms and get his wand out before
Cedric could stop him.
Cedric had his wand out already. He'd just seen Harry collapse
at his side. We are reminded in OOP that Cedric was a
world-class champion adult wizard who knew quite as much
about duelling as Harry, so this is not one of those minor
inconsistencies that JKR lets by. This is something we are to
take note of, a clue slipped into an innocent chapter. Somehow
Cedric let Wormtail get the drop on him without so much as an
"Expelliarmus". Wormtail, who was always hopeless at duelling.
Something's not right.
Pippin
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