[HPforGrownups] Timetravel again? Was: Re: Dumbledore

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In a message dated 10/27/2004 9:13:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
ctcasares at sbcglobal.net writes:
Tyler:  No, Chancie, no.  Hermione even claims at the end of PoA 
that she's not sure--<snip> Hermione was warned not to try to "change" 
things.  That bad things 
can happen.  She was given rules, and Hermione LIKES rules and 
generally wants to obey them.  And rules are a good idea--as 
discussed, seeing yourself is likely to make you think some evil 
magic is afoot.  Bad things *can* happen, so it's better not to 
tempt fate--if you're time-travelling DON'T BE SEEN.
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Chancie:
Huh?  OK if you admit that she's told not to change anything, then
why would there be a problem with something bad happening?  If 
As you say, time is set in stone, and you can only replay events,
Then HOW could a wizard go back in time and Kill themselves???
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If you could really change things, then why did Hermione miss 
Charms?  If it's a multiple line/changable past, then why doesn't 
she just go back and do it?  B/c she CAN'T.  Harry and Ron have 
reported that she missed it.  Hermione can go back as much as she 
likes, and still have free will, but will still miss Charms b/c TIME 
HAPPENS ONCE.  
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Chancie again:
I agree, this confused me too.  I don't know why Hermione didn't 
go back to charms class!  If you ask me it doesn't quite make since.  
(Kind of like, If the Weasley clock show's the condition of each of 
their members, then why is Molly worried that they were possibly dead 
in GoF when they are at the Quiddich world cup?  We are told that
 the clock has a spot that says "mortal pearel", yet when she sees 
the twins, she's overcome by releif that they weren't hurt!---But that's
 another story!) But that is a good point to make, however, I'm not 
sure how that exactly seals your point.
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<snip> That's what time travel means.  It means you travel in TIME.  And if 
you go back in time, then you were always back in time.  You don't 
go back and CHANGE things, b/c you *already* CHANGED them.  

Sure, H&H were "free" not to save Buckbeak, but we know they did, 
and therein lies the paradox.  It's like if you read the end of the 
book first.  The characters still "behave" as though they are free, 
but you know how it will end b/c you skipped ahead.  In effect, you 
time travel through the book.

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Chancie:
Ok, a BIG problem I'm having with all of this, WHERE in cannon 
does it say -1, time can't be changed, ( we only have cannon that
it CAN be changed-or McGonagall wouldn't tell Hermione, that
wizards who have messed with time have killed themselves) -2
That there is such a thing as a paradox, (this is JKR's story, she
makes her own rules for things, such as Lupin only changing 
into a werewolf when the moonlight hits him, in other story's 
that I've read, werewolves are in their wolf state for the entire 
full moon period).  I think we as readers sometime try to change
what the books say in order for us to relate to it a bit better.  
Harry did figure out that he cast the patronus the previous time, 
and therefore had the courage to cast it once again, because he saw
himself do it.  But just as you admit, he didn't have to!  Therefore 
if you aren't forced to replay events, then that means you 
CAN CHANGE TIME!!!!!!!!  

Chancie~whos wondering if ANYONE sees her point or if it's
pointless to continue to try and explain?


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