[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry, Hermione, Sirius, and the Dream

Magda Grantwich mgrantwich at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 31 01:09:03 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 116833

>>Magda Grantwich:
>>Also while the vision of Arthur and the snake had been real, it
>>was also clear that this vision was different.  Harry insists that 
>>there had never been anyone in the DoM when he'd been there before 
>>and Hermione replies that he's never been there, he'd just dreamed 
>>about it before.  And that's our clue that something is very off 
>>about this vision: if Harry's seeing the DoM as he's seen it in 
>>what he knows are visions from Voldemort's mind rather than as it 
>>must be during a normal working day, then something is badly wrong.
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> I don't understand, Magda. COuld you explain it, please? Are you 
> saying that you also fugured that Sirius' dream was fake when you 
> first read OOP? I know I did not.  I cannot find any difference 
> between dream about Arthur and Sirius and I am not sure how Harry 
> could. How are Hermione's words that Harry never been there before 
> are supposed to be a clue? Could you clarify, please? Thank you.


I knew the Sirius-vision was fake when I read Hermione's practical,
logical objections and Harry's inadequate and emotional responses. 
It was clear that this was not going to be the usual
Harry-saves-the-day-with-backup-from-pals thing that was the climax
of the other books.

What was wrong with the Sirius-vision?

1.  As Steve and others have pointed out, Voldemort and Sirius would
not have been able to get that deeply into the physical MoM as to
penetrate the DoM.  It was not likely that they were there.

2.  Harry had the Sirius-vision during the afternoon, that is, during
a regular workday at the MoM.  The DoM is special but there still
would have been MoM employees there, again raising doubts about how
Voldemort and Sirius could have got in.  Yet Harry sees himself
walking down the corridor, through the first and second doors, with
no one else in sight.  In other words, it looks the same as when he
sees it in his dreams at night, which he knows are not real.  Had the
Sirius-vision been real, he would have had to avoid being seen by the
MoM/DoM employees.

Ergo, the Sirius-vision was not real from the get-go.

Magda


		
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