F+G/Muggle culture/sparing Lily/SnapeLikes/Kreachur/Founders/Deity/Relatives

Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) catlady at wicca.net
Sun Sep 5 23:26:15 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 112143

Tina wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforG
rownups/message/111628 :

<< I do think however that [the twins] are Molly's and Arthur's
natural children. In GoF Ch5 Harry notes "Charlie was built like the
twins, shorter and stockier than Percy and Ron, who were both long and
lanky." Not definitive but points to their being brothers. >>

Charlie, the twins, and apparently (from OoP) Ginny, are build like
Molly, while Bill and Ron are built like Arthur. It's far from
impossible that Molly's brothers were built like her, and that her
brother's sons were built like their dad. 

However, I think the twins are her sons, not her nephews.

Aura wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforG
rownups/message/111864 :

<<  I wonder if the last Vold War somehow led to more Muggle culture
leaking into the wizarding world. >>

Surely it did. One reason would be that it would have suddenly become
fashionable to like Muggle-borns and want to protect Muggles (as proof
that one did not share the defeated Death Eater beliefs), and part of
that would be to adopt clothing styles, slang, etc that the
Muggle-born were already using (from their Muggle lives).

I have an elaborate theory of the inheritance of magic which specifies
that there would actually be MORE Muggle-borns born during the Bad
Times than usual, and therefore more Muggle-born students at Hogwarts
than usual for the 11 or 12 or 13 years starting around Harrys's
birth. (Timing: Harry was one year old when DD said the wizarding folk
hadn't had much to celebrate for 11 years, therefore the Bad Times
started 10 years before Harry was born.) Having more Muggle-borns
among the Hogwarts students would mean they would have more influence
on the wizarding youth culture. 

The relevant aspect of my theory of inheritance of magic is that
somehow there are always the same number of wizarding people alive, so
when one dies, another is born. (Someone, maybe Ffred, offered the
improvement that rather than there being a constant number, it is a
constant fraction of the human population, which would work out the
same in the short term.)

The magic tries to go to the closest most suitable baby born at the
time (suitability is based on 1) closeness to magic during pregnancy
and 2) genetics). The reason for Muggle-borns is that a wizard or
witch died when no wizarding baby was being born, and the reason for
Squibs is that a wizarding baby was born when no witch or wizard was
dying. It seems to me that quite a few wizards and witches have no
children or only one child, so there are always Muggleborns but Squibs
are very unusual, maybe one in thirty years normally.

During the Bad Times, MANY wizards and witches were dying (killed by
Death Eaters or Aurors) so many new witches and wizards had to be born
to replace them. And even fewer than usual wizarding people were
having babies, because they wouldn't want to bring children into a
world of such fear and danger. Thus, LV's attempt to exterminate
Muggle-borns ironically resulted in an increase of Muggle-borns.

But there may have been a wizarding baby boom after LV's defeat, and
that may have resulted in more Squibs being born than usual.

Angie wrote in 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/111926 :

<< Any theories on why Voldemort was willing to spare Lily? >>

Why hasn't anyone mentioned yet the family of theories with names like
TOO EWW TO BE TREW and SO EWW ITS IN THE SEWER? They started from the
LOLLIPOPS ("Love of Lily left ire polluting our poor Severus") theory
that the motive of most of the backstory is that Snape was in love
with Lily. In that theory, he joined the Death Eaters in a snit when
Lily chose his enemy James instead. When he found that his master
desired to kill all three Potters, he tried to save Lily's life by
begging LV to give Lily to him as a slave. LV liked Sevvie enough to
promise that he would do so as long as Lily didn't interfere with
killing the males. Severus knew that Lily would NEVER agree to save
her life at the cost of her baby's life, so his next attempt to save
her was to change sides and warn Dumbledore and James that LV had a
spy and was after all three Potters. Part of why Severus hates James
so much is that he felt that James disregarded his warning, thus
killing Lily.

The first offshoot was the theory that Pettigrew made some deal with
LV in which LV would give him Lily as his payment for revealing the
Secret. Rationales range from Pettigrew had already revealed the
secret and was trying to save at least one life to Pettigrew had the
hots for Lily bad enough that he brought the proposed deal to LV as a
way to get her.

Another offshoot was that LV wanted Lily for his own use. A form of
this was offered by Lady McBeth in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/112054 suggesting
that LV wanted to use Lily as a charms expert. The EWW version was
that he wanted her to bear him a child, possibly because there was
some prophecy that Lily's son would win the war for his father's side.
Personally, I doubt that because I believe that LV had already turned
himself into an immortal unhuman snake-man when he started recruiting
DEs, and that part of his snake-man condition was total lack of sexual
desire and sexual organs.

Magda wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/112041 :

<< those [Snape] doesn't like - which seems to mean the entire world
outside of Dumbledore and McGonagall >>

He seems to like Filch, or at least trust him to bandage his
Fluffy-bite. Is there any canon evidence that he doesn't like Sprout
and Flitwick, that he assumes the worst of Sinistra and Vector? What
does canon indicate he feels about Hagrid?

Marianne wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/112085 :

<< He did imply that he somehow forced Kreacher to give
him the correct story of why everyone at 12 Grimmauld Place,
including Sirius, had dashed off to the DoM. Somehow I doubt his
methods included bribing Kreacher with piles of chocolate bars. >>

Veritaserum, Legilimency, or Imperius. All ethically dubious but
faster and more efficient than my hope that DD had tortured the little
toe-rag to the point that his head is now on the wall with his
ancestors'.

Macfotuk wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/112089 :

<< Also for the SHIPper's two males and two females among the
founders - is this just year 2000+ PCness or - any SHIPs here? >>

You mean, besides the ever-popular Godric/Salazar ship, based on the
idea that they were closer than brothers and more than best friends
before they split up? Personally, my own Founderfic has Salazar being
already evil before Godric was ever born and they were never best
friends, just colleagues. 

In my own private Potterverse, at the time of Founding, Godric and
Helga were married, each a bit over 100 years old, third marriage for
both of them (because previous marriages were to Muggles who died
naturally). 600-year-old Salazar is courting 21-year-old Rowena, both
because her magical power and her intelligence can be useful for him
and because she is quite beautiful. To me, Godric was pureblood, Helga
witch mother Muggle father, Rowena Muggle-born, and Salazar probably
Muggle mother wizard father. And Godric and Helga got the school to
start a school when they observed this immensely talented child,
Rowena, with no one to teach her, so they wanted to teach her. 

Imamommy wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/112095 :

<< I have long felt, in the absence of any defined deity in
Potterverse, that there is some entity that is "good" and one
that is "bad", and that *something or someone* higher than mortals is
providing Harry with some of the tools to defeat this great evil. >>

In RL, people argue about whether the universe had a Creator, whether
a Higher Power can interfere in current events, whether the future can
be foretold. In the Potterverse, it is very clear to us readers that
there was a Creator who continues to control events and who knows what
is going to happen in future books, named Joanne Rowling. In general,
people who have theories in which DD is the puppetmaster point to
examples of unlikely co-incidences that save Harry's life or advance
LV's defeat, like Harry and LV having brother wands, or Crouch!Moody
fooling Moody's old friend DD for an entire year, and say that someone
must have PLANNED and CAUSED that co-incidence to happen. SOMEONE did,
the question is whether it was DD or JKR.

Should we question JKR's ethics is making Sirius languish in a
particularly horrible prison for 12 years? 

Carolyn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/112137 :

<< Only two wands that we know of have phoenix cores, Voldemort's and
Harry's >>

The wands Harry tried in Ollivander's shop included: ""Maple and
phoenix feather. Seven inches. Quite whippy." 

Jessi wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/112102 :

<< I also have some ideas about Harry being related to both Godric
Gryffindor and Salazar Slytherin (meaning of course he would also be
of relation to LV). >>

http://www.jkrowling.co.uk/textonly/rumours_view.cfm?id=3
Rumor: Voldemort is Harry's real father/grandfather/close relative of
some description

Answer: No, no, no, no, no. You lot have been watching much too much
Star Wars. James is DEFINITELY Harry's father. Doesn't everybody Harry
meets say 'you look just like your father'? And hasn't Dumbledore
already told Harry that Voldemort is the last surviving descendent of
Salazar Slytherin? Just to clarify - this means that Harry is NOT a
descendent of Salazar Slytherin.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/extras/JKRWorldBookDay2004.html
Jami: Is Harry related to Godric Gryffindor?
JK Rowling replies -> People are always wondering who Harry might be
related to. Maybe he is ;)

Harry: Has Voldermort any children
JK Rowling replies -> No. Voldemort as a father... now that's not a
nice thought.






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