The Sneak Mark (was "Slytherin" Hermione?)

[huntergreen_3]

No: HPFGUIDX 112817

HunterGreen previously:
> I'm not saying what she did was right, just that it didn't violate
> *her* values. If Umbridge found out about the group on her own,
> Marietta would have been expelled along with them, even though she
> didn't necessarily follow the anti-Umbridge idealogy. And unlike
> Harry or the Weasleys, she didn't have a family who would
understand
> why she was in a group like that. I'm sure her mother would be
> horrified, and may have already asked her if she knew anything
about
> it (or spoke about it in front of her, assuming that she would
NEVER
> be in a group like that).

Toto replied:
>>Any mother would be horrified. As i said before, being expelled
in the WW means not being *part* of the WW any longer.... and hse
decidedthat on her own that it was better to make fall others than
to have a risk for herself.<<

HunterGreen:
Why should she risk herself for something she doesn't even believe 
in? Its not like Cho, or Luna or Ginny going to Umbridge to save 
themself, because all of them believed that Voldemort was back, all 
of them didn't think of Harry as a liar. We don't know that Marietta 
believed him, and chances are, she didn't.
Perhaps she thought the threat of expulsion was an idle threat, Cho 
certainly doesn't seem to be mad at her (which you think she would 
have if Marietta had almost got her expelled as well). Or maybe she 
thought only *Harry* would get in trouble. (btw, do we know for sure 
that expulsion *always* means the wand gets snapped in half? I know 
it worked that way for Hagrid, but he had also been implicated in 
being responsible for a girl's death).

Toto:
>> Where are the *values* on that? You are saying that she sided with 
the *ministry* when she knew that the ministry changed the rules just 
to get to certain people... passive complicity of abuse is already 
bad enough, but collaboration with a rotten system for no reason but 
to alleviate one fear? <<

HunterGreen:
She followed through (eventually), with what she believed in, if what 
she believed in was that Harry was a liar and was spreading rumors 
(very dangerous rumors, in fact). Its showing strength of character, 
even though it was definitely misguided and a bad decision. Those who 
believe in the Ministry probably don't see it as "rotten", they 
probably see it as reacting exteremly to extreme factions. Lets say, 
for sake of argument, Harry and Dumbledore had indeed been lying, 
that would be a very horrible thing to do, and very dangerous if it 
was an attempt to take over the Ministry. So for those who believe 
that Harry is a liar, they might understand the methods the Ministry 
is using.

Toto:
>> What she did *was* like wormtail...and who said wormtail did 
anything wrong from his point of views? People are good to convince 
themselves....<<

HunterGreen:
Well, Wormtail was certainly ashamed of himself, and admitted he did 
it out of fear, and not much else (other, than say, doing it because 
he believed that Voldemort had the right idea, and he WANTED the 
Potters killed). Wormtail freely joined a group that was aiming to 
get rid of Voldemort. Marietta joined a DADA study group, which later 
became an illegal DADA study group, who's members were all against 
Umbridge. Wormtail was approached by Voldemort or a DE at some point 
and pressured for information, which he gave because he was afraid of 
being killed. Marietta, for reasons unknown, willingly went to 
Umbridge to tell her the meetings were taking place. What the two of 
them did was completely different.