Harry's protection

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No: HPFGUIDX 112824

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" <snow15145 at y...> wrote:
>snip 
> especially when Voldemort attempted to possess him in the Ministry, 
> where the pain became so intense that Harry wished he were dead. It 
> sounds like something was being ripped out from inside of Harry to 
> the point were he wished he were dead because there could be no 
> greater pain. Voldemort himself describes this same type of 
> feeling "pain beyond pain" and also being ripped from his body when 
> his own being was split. 

Kneasy:
Nicely observed -  should have seen it myself, but didn't. 
There do seem to be parallels between what  Voldy says he suffered
at Godric's Hollow and what Harry felt in the Ministry. And since the
Ministry was an attempted/partially successful possession it does 
add a little credence to the theory that at GH there was an attempted 
possession that back-fired.

If this theory is correct then JKR will somehow have to explain why 
Voldy didn't  get his missing bits back during the Ministry possession.
Or maybe he did. There's been no chance to test Harry for Voldy 
sensitivity/allergy since then. As a bonus (for Harry) Voldy  would 
probably find it more difficult to access Harry's mind from a distance 
if he has retrieved them, thus obviating the need for further Occlumancy
lessons (anyone wondered why there's been no mention of resuming
them?)
Hmm. A less vulnerable Harry. Not sure I totally approve of that.
It cuts out an awful lot of very interesting plot possibilities. Bad news
for an habitual theoriser.

> Snow:
> Is it all that amazing that both Harry and Voldemort describe this 
> same pain so similarly and yet reacts so very differently? Harry not 
> fearing death says, "Just let us die" whereas Voldemort does not beg 
> for such an end to his suffering. Voldemort fears death, Harry 
> doesn't. It is the one who has no fear, of even a name, that will 
> live.
> 

Kneasy:
A couple of us (Lyn again) have brooded about this off-site.
Voldy fears death, seeks immortality.
Harry accepts, almost embraces the thought of death, in this
particular instance, anyway.
Can this be the something that Harry has so much of that DD keeps
mumbling on about?
Superficially it looks like a good idea - acceptance of mortality,
not fearing death, submission to an irresistible force of nature. Then
DD goes and cocks it up for us, he whitters on about the room in
the Ministry that contains a "force that is at once more wonderful
and more terrible than death, than human intelligence, than the
forces of nature." They've probably  got a mobile phone in there,
that'd match  the description - certainly the "more terrible than 
death" bit.

I did suggest at one time that it might be Life or Life-force in that
room. Harry can be considered a life-affirming character and Voldy, 
despite his quest for immortality, just the opposite. Of course many 
insist that it's Love, even though love can have some pretty nasty 
and destructive aspects. T'ain't always hearts and flowers; it can
be possessive, stifling, damaging and of course it is possible to
love inappropriately - evil or power for instance.
Or maybe it's just my jaundiced view of the world.