[HPforGrownups] Re: The Sneak Mark (was "Slytherin" Hermione?)

[theotokos]

No: HPFGUIDX 112864

Theotokos replied:
>>Isn't that also a bit like the "Black List" in Hollywood during the 50's and the Red Scare? People being asked to turn in others as Communists?<<

HunterGreen:
>It depends on how you look at it. The people that turned 
in "communists" in out of fear and selfish self-preservation are one thing, but what about someone who honestly was afraid of the 'domino effect' that was the crux of the communist paranoia, and honestly believed (or knew) that someone was a communist and was actively seeking to recruit others? Would that person be good or bad in turning the suspected communist in? (without the benefit of hindsight).<
 
theotokos:
 
Yes, I think they would be bad.  They are assuming Communism is bad and although I don't agree with its edicts, belonging to a group which discusses its values and tries to use those values in their daily lives is not necessarily bad.  Just like I don't agree with turning in a Japanese citizen who has ties to family back home during WWII, or a Middle-Easterner who goes to a Muslim place of worship.  The 'government' might say these are potentially bad people so turn them in and we will deal with it, but I wouldn't dare.  It is wrong to do so based on raw speculation.  I suppose Marietta has 'proof' the group is against the ministry?  This proof is what?  All they do is work on spells, jinxes, etc.  The only mention of Umbridge, LV, or the MOM was in the initial meeting at the Hogs Head so if she didn't agree she should have left then.  After being in the DA for as long as she was, what occurred that would have justified her going to Umbridge.  What subversive dangerous act did she
 witness or overhear to make her think anything was wrong with the DA practicing defense?
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Huntergreen:
>If Marietta truly believes that Harry is a liar and is trying to create instability in the Wizarding World by spreading lies and she knows about him leading other students (like he is in the DA), then she would be wrong to not tell about it, or at least confront him about it (if that's what she really believes).<

theotokos:
 
I am not sure I understand your meaning "leading other students"--do you mean teaching them defensive spells?  He for sure has not been "spreading lies" during DA meetings.  He refuses to talk about that stuff as he stated at the Hogs Head meeting.  So if Marietta truly believes that, then she is searching and already against Harry so went to U out of spite not out of any highly held beliefs.

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HunterGreen previously:
>I'm not saying what she did was right, just that it didn't violate 
*her* values.<

Theotokos replied:
>>Nor did what Hermione did violate hers.<<

HunterGreen:
>And what does that say about her values? <

theotokos:

It doesn't say much more than saying Marietta didn't violate *her own* values.  It is a fairly empty statement IMO.  I happen to agree with Hermione more but then again we have *some* canon to draw upon there.  We are really in the dark on Marietta as you have said, but her actions, IMO, do not speak well for her.

Theotokos


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