Tale of Two Wands - Fawkes as Supplier - When Created?

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 112893

Angie:
> 
> However, simply because Fawkes gave two feathers doesn't mean he gave 
> both of them at the same time.  Ollivander did not call the first  
> feather "its twin."  He called the first feather, "its brother".  
> My "brother" and I weren't born at the same time, but twins would 
> be.  

> I see these possibilities:
> 
> 1)  Both tail feathers were given at the same time, which means they 
> were given by Fawkes prior to Tom Riddle's entry into Hogwarts, which 
> in turn, means that Harry's wand had been languishing in Ollivander's 
> shop for over 50 years(?!) at the time he purchased it.
>    
>     However, simply because Fawkes gave two feather doesn't mean they 
> HAD to use both of them, does it?  It would seem to me that this 
> would be an unusual event, to be avoided, given the potential for 
> forcing the Priori Incantatem. To me, there must have been a reason 
> for doing so; I see DD's hand all over this.  But see # 4 below.
> 
> 
> 2) Both tail feathers were not given at the same time.  

Finwitch:

I don't know if it <i>matters</i> whether the tail-feathers given at
the same time or not! The important thing is that they're both Fawkes'
feathers, thus creating the Priori Incantatem-effect, as well as
giving Harry an advantage, being that Fawkes is Harry's friend, as
well as Dumbledore's pet.

Angie:
 
> 3)  Couldn't DD have Ollivander pull another tail feather from Fawkes 
> and create another wand for himself?
> 
> Ollivander talks about nearly being gored by a unicorn when pulling 
> the hair from the unicorn that was in Cedric's wand (GOF), so 
> apparently the "donation" is not always voluntary.  I don't see why 
> he couldn't pull another one from Fawkes.  But, if so, why hasn't he 
> done so?

Finwitch:

Well, Ollivander says that Fawkes *gave* the feathers, whereas he
mentions having pulled the unicorn hair out, not about the unicorn
*giving* it.

Also, Harry & co in CoS, and Dumbledore in OOP - hang of Fawkes'
tail-feathers, when the bird carries them! AND it is said that
Phoenixes can carry heavy loads and fast at that...

A person can, therefore, safely HANG, with full weight, on a feather
of a phoenix, and it does NOT come off. Therefore, I doubt that
Ollivander *could* pull out a phoenix feather! I see Fawkes giving a
feather by simply dropping it to Ollivander (or, more likely, to
Dumbledore).

As to why Ollivander tells Dumbledore who bought the phoenix-wand,
well - it pays to do such favours to someone who has a pet phoenix,
considering how faithful phoenixes are - maybe in hopes of getting
MORE feathers at later date? Or was that information a condition for
getting one in the first place, on a magically binding contract?

What I'm wondering, is the wand that did not choose Harry: Maple with
a phoenix feather - and THAT phoenix wasn't Fawkes, since only two of
Fawkes' feathers were ever made into wands (Harry and Tom)! Does that
wand, perhaps, belong to Neville? I hope Book Six tells us whether
Neville's wand has phoenix feather as a core!

Finwitch