"Redemptive pattern" for Snape (was Re: Harry dies sort of.)

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 112988

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "totorivers"
<tombadgerlock at f...> wrote:
> > Alla:
> > 
Alla wrote:
> > Sorry, I am still confused. I would be the first one to say that 
> IMO Snape was not a victim throughout his wars with Marauders and 
> could  dish it out quite well, but don't you think judging by
Pensieve scene that Snape has  quite a lot to blame James and Sirius for?
> > 
> > Now, if you would  say for example that Snape blames Marauders for 
> > him becoming DE and back it up, then yes, I would agree with you.
> > 
> > Right now I don't understand your argument, sorry.
> > 
> > I can see quite a lot of Snape undeservingly blaming Harry for 
> > James' mistakes, but that is about it, frankly.
> 
Toto responded:
>   Ok, i'll better explain myself... I have the impression that Snape 
> is trying to makes what James and Sirius Did look on par to what he 
> himself did (and yes i see the DE as attacking children, not just 
> the parents....DE raid after all, father coming back to see their 
> family killed or mad...). I see Part of Snape's hate on them as a 
> need to blame them for what he did, as if he was innocent...
> Toto

Carol butts in, with apologies:
I think what Alla is asking you for is canon support for your stand.
Not "I see" or "I get the impression" but "I think such and such
because. . . ." You need solid evidence from the books (quotations
with page numbers) that will support your position. Opinions without
canon to support them are just opinions, or even just feelings. And I
agree with Alla that you have not supported your position so far. We
have no evidence that the DEs attacked children (unless you count the
Muggle-baiting incident where they're tossed into the air in GoF). And
what evidence do you have that Snape is trying to make what James and
Sirius did look as bad as what he did? What *did* he do? We don't
know. We *do* know what James and Sirius did because the Pensieve
presents memories as they happened, not as they are subjectively
viewed by the owner of the memory. That's the whole point of putting
them in a Pensieve--so they can be studied and understood objectively.
(The fact that Harry can move around within the memory, that he is
seeing not with Snape's eyes but with his own, that he hears and sees
what young Severus did not because Severus was absorbed in his exam
questions indicates that this is not Snape's version of events but
what really happened. And Harry accepts it as such.)

I hope I'm responding to your points, but I'm not sure if this is the
incident you're talking about. If need be, I can come back with quotes
and page numbers, but I'd rather wait to see if we're on the same
page. Show me some canon, not just your assumptions, and place your
comments in a context so we know which incidents you're referring to.
That way I can respond with canon of my own. Or Alla can, since I'm
really just jumping in uninvited here. 

Carol, who agrees with Alla except for the part about Snape blaming
James and Sirius for his own decision to join the Death Eaters, which
I don't think we can find canon support for--though of course I could
be wrong.