Snape and Harry again. WasRe: Snape in the Shrieking Shack (was re:time-turning)

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> Alla:
> 
> Maybe we should or maybe we should not. Yesterday I was worrying 
> that I went into defending Snape mode for too long. :o)


Potioncat:
Yes, I was worrying about you too!  ;-) 
> 
>snip>> 
>>Alla: 
> I am having a lot of trouble calling such person a "good one"
> 
> Hmmm. Which examples to choose?.
> 
> 
> 1. The first Potions lesson inn PS/SS was cited so many times, 
that 
> I really don't want to do it again today.
> I may even agree with you that Potions, which Snape mentions 
> especially putting "stopper in death" will become important at the 
> end, but you are not saying that Snape KNEW that in PS/SS?
> I mean, it would be a nice foreshadowing, but what Snape got to do 
> with it? How it makes his absolutely undeserved attack at Harry, 
who  just been thrown out in the world unknown , looks less asdistic?
> 
>Potioncat:
It won't make him less sarcastic/sadistic but I think Snape believes 
Harry -- particularly Harry -- needs to know certain things about 
potions. 
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Alla:
Since GoF is the book I reread most recently, I will quote couple 
> scenes from there.

Potioncat:
Not GoF!!!  It's really hard to defend Snape in GoF. 
> 3.
>snip
> I would even be able to let it pass, if Snape say took points and 
> let it be, but he decides to read the magasine out loud.
> snip

Potioncat:
It used to be expected that notes passed to another student would be 
read out loud if the teacher caught you.  Nice teachers of course 
didn't do that.  So reading this out loud was mean, but not entirely 
out of range...
I think at this time Snape believes Harry tricked the Goblet of 
Fire, believes the trio are stealing from his office, knows LV is 
getting stronger and may be calling Snape soon...and he's taking it 
out on Harry.

Snape should go into research.

Alla:
> 4.
> Harry trying to warn Dumbledore about Crouch Sr. was recently 
> discussed and even though I don't consider it to be the example of 
> ESE! Snape I definitely think of it as one of the best examples of 
> Snape's sadistic nature.
> Here is the quote:

> snip

>> 
> I am willing to assume that Snape knew that Dumbledore is in his 
> office. What exactly stopped him from telling Harry to wait a 
minute  and Headmaster will be here? I think nothing except Snape 
being  Snape.
> 
> Potioncat:
Yeah, that one had me puzzled for quite a while.  He was stalling 
Harry until DD could come down, and doing it in character. Why?  
This reminds me that the movies often show Snape being neutral or 
almost friendly.  I don't think the books ever do. 

Remind me, Alla, was I agreeing with you or arguing with you in this 
post?
> 
> 
>Alla:
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>  But, I think I posted earlier that Snape does manage to make 
Harry afraid of himself in OOP (to his delight, I am sure :o)).
> 
> 
> "Wondering what on earth was doing here, he jumped when Snape's 
cold 
> voice came out of the corner.
> "Shut the door behind you, Potter."
> Harry did as he was told with the horrible feeling that he was 
> imprisoning himself as he did so." -OOP, paperback, p.529
> 
> 
> "Snape pulled out his wand from an inside pocket of his robes and 
> Harry tensed in his chair, but Snape merely raised the wand to his 
> temple and placed its tip into the greasy roots of his hair" - 
OOP, 
> paperback, p.533.

Potioncat:
Harry does a good job of standing up to Snape.  I've only realised 
that lately.  He is pretty mouthy at times.  But you show good 
examples of Harry's discomfort as well.  I don't read it as Snape 
purposely making him afraid in that situation.  Rather, with their 
history, the whole process makes him nervous.  Not to mention that 
Black even suggested Snape might be particularly mean to Harry in 
these classes.

So, why has JKR made this very nasty person someone who is important 
to DD, protective of Harry, and a teacher?  Does anyone know what 
ever became of the chemistry teacher who inspired Snape?

Potioncat