Survival of AK (was: Re: Harry's protection)

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No: HPFGUIDX 113332

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "greatelderone" 
<greatelderone at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" <snow15145 at y...> 
> wrote:
> > Snow:
> > I don't want this to sound bad but wouldn't a counter (curse) be 
> > during a curse not after one? To counter ones intention would be 
> > before or during
 not after, wouldn't it? Curse and Charm seem 
to 
> be 
> > the bigger issue. I suspect that there is no counter of any type 
> to 
> > an AK what so ever, whether it is a countercurse or a 
> countercharm. 
> 
> GEO: What was used at GH was hardly a countercharm. It was a wide 
> blanketing protection against Voldemort and his powers created by 
> the act of Voldemort killing Lily. Countercharms and curses are 
more 
> like spells that are spoken or used by the wand. What happened 
there 
> was more of an unconscious magical act by Lily and definitely not 
a 
> countercharm or curse.
> 
> > If this were true then whatever killing curse was used (on 
Harry) 
> at 
> > GH could not have been an AK, which cannot be countered. 
> 
> GEO: And the spell wasn't countered. Remember it left a scar on 
> Harry and rebounded and destroyed Voldemort's body and quite a bit 
> of the house.

AK *has* been 'countered' - three times by Dumbledore at the climax 
of OotP - despite what Barty Jr!Moody said in GoF about its being 
unblockable:

First, the wizard statue gets in the way to protect Harry (and 
subsequently pushes him out of the way of the 'high noon' scene 
between DD and LV). 

Then, a 2nd AK from LV (at DD) hits the security guard's desk and 
blitzes it (like the destruction in GH but unlike the idea from Ch.1 
GoF that AK 'leaves no mark'). 

The last (3rd AK) is swallowed by Fawkes, who dies as a result, but 
this is OK because he can regenerate (intersting btw since Fawkes 
gave the feather that allowed this spell to be produced!). 

All of this shows, and not for for the first time (since HP avoids 
LV's AK by virtue of an intervening headstone in the graveyard scene 
of GoF), that the 'unblockable' curse is, in fact, countered three 
times, albeit by the most powerful wizard ever (DD I mean, though 
you can substitute HP as possibly being even more powerful, not LV) -
 the chapter is called 'the only one he ever feared' - though this 
may mean HP take on LV rather than LV's on DD (or even HP?).