ESE!Fudge

[Hannah]

No: HPFGUIDX 113533

> Hannah originally wrote:
> > The only thing that doesn't quite work out to my mind is how he
discredited Crouch Sr. using his son. I think the other DE's
(doubtless led by Malfoy) actually did this for a different reason.
> >
>Crouch Jr. is a fanatical LV supporter - would he have gone along
>with anything that Malfoy, who'd immediately run to the ministry
>pleading the imperio curse, suggested?
> 
> Meltowne replied:
> >>Crouch Jr. is a fanatic by the time of Goblet of Fire, but was he
> always? <snip>

> HunterGreen wrote:
> We don't even know for sure if Crouch Jr. was a DE at all before 
he was arrested. 

Hannah: Well, he had a place in the circle of DE's.  In the 
graveyard in GoF, it seems that they all stand in set places, and LV 
refers to one of the empty places as belonging to his loyalist 
servant, the one who delivered Potter etc. Crouch Jr. in other 
words.  So he was certainly a DE.  I admit that the extent of his 
fanatacism may be due to his time in Azkaban.  I think that he was 
probably that devoted all along, but that is just my opinion.

>Huntergreen:
><snip>
>He's definitely got a romanticized (no, not *that* kind of 
>romantic) vision of Voldemort when he's caught in GoF. 

Hannah: Yes, he does, but that might just be because he hadn't been 
a DE for very long, so hadn't seen the worse of LV yet, or simply 
because he only saw what he *wanted* to see in him.

>Huntergreen wrote:
> The DEs might have tricked him into going with them to the 
> Longbottoms, planning to just frame *him* (but the other three got 
> caught by accident). Or Lucius Malfoy, knowing what they were up 
to, tricked Barty Jr. on his own and got all four of them arrested 
> because he *didn't want* Voldemort found. 

Hannah: I don't think Bella and co. were interested in such 
machinations, they only wanted LV back.  I think Malfoy was the one 
behind any trickery, whether it was of Barty alone or of all four.  
IMO, he wanted all of these fanatics out of the way for the very 
reason Huntergreen gives above - he didn't want LV found.

>Huntergreen continued:
>The way he reacts in the penseive scene seems very genuine.

Hannah: But so does his portrayal of Moody.  He's a gifted actor.