Snape and Harry again.

[romuluslupin1]

No: HPFGUIDX 113864


Feklar wrote:
<I should specify, I menat 'til he was about 13. By that point, he'd 
been at
Hogwarts a couple of years, in Gryffindor, no less. He would have 
learned
from the bahavior of teachers and other students that there were 
different
ways of dealing with frustration, conflict and opposition. He was 
hitting
the point where he should have begun to understand the moral import 
of his
actions. So where an 11 yo Sirius might not know a different way to 
react
or that there was even anything wrong with reacting to things he 
didn't like
with abuse, by 13 he had to have known he was behaving badly. By 15 
and 17,
there is really no excuse IMO.>


RL answersBy the same token Severus should have learned the same 
thinkg. He was at Hogwarts as a student for as long as Sirius was, 
he's been a teacher there for 15 years, he's seen McGonagall and 
Dumbledore and all the others. He should know abusing his students 
is wrong. Strangely enough most Sirius basher(don't mean you 
specifically, this is a general observation) are ready to excuse any 
action from Snape because he was abused by his peers and ignore the 
abuse he visits on his charges while hating and condemning Sirius 
for what he did to someone his own age. That sounds rather unfair to 
me, to say the least.


Feklar wrote
<In school, there are indications he was abusive not only to Snape 
but also
other students (and the Shack incident showed he was not only 
murderous, but
indifferent to the well-being of others, namely Remus).>
RL answers: 

Strictly speaking, the only student that was accused of hexing 
everybody was James, not Sirius (actually I always thought Lily was 
exaggerationg when she said that, same as MM saying she was never so 
ashamed of her students or RH saying all bad wizards were 
Slytherins, but that's another post). What proof do you have that 
Sirius was abusing anyone (let not forget that hexing isn't 
considered abuse in the WW). And I may be partial to Sirius (if you 
didn't notice :-), but what do we really know about the prank? All 
we know for sure is that only SS thinks it was an attempted murder. 
AD seems to have a different opinion (he didn't expel SB, did he?). 
MM, RH and the others talk about SB and JP fondly during the 3 
broomstick meeting. And they thought SB was a DE. I'll reserve 
judgement about that episode until we have more information.

Feklar wrote

<1981 Pettigrew confrontation--again, he didn't care that there were 
innocent
bystanders. He had to take time to track Peter down, so he wasn't in 
the
"heat of battle" when he found him, he could have followed and 
waited, but
chose to attck without regard to the safety of others.>

RL answers:

Are we sure SB attacked first? Strangely enough PP had the time to 
accuse him of killing J&LP and then blew up a whole street, while SB 
did nothing. For all we know he just wanted some explanation and PP 
took advantage of his presence to escape (no, I don't really think 
that's what happened, I'm just saying it's too early to accuse SB of 
irresponsibly attacking anyone)

Feklar wrote:

Treatment of Kreacher, as with Snape, he prefers to be abusive and 
attack
first with things he doesn't like. It's possible it's standard in 
dark
households to treat house elves like that, but again, he had 7 years 
of
Hogwarts (and sneaking into the kitchens there) to learn there was a
different way.


RL answers:

I don't get it. Why does everybody think SB was abusive of 
Kreatcher? He obviously disliked the elf, but he wasn't exacting 
punishment for hil laziness or for his disrespect to his master, he 
wasn't forcing the elf to do anything, apart from putting up with 
mudbloods and blood traitors, but that seems more AD's doing than 
Sirius.

Feklar:

I specified he was unreliable about Sanpe's character. We don't know 
about
the facts, but I do think he immediately saw Snape as a stand-in for 
his
family and was probably incapable of seeing the reality of Snape's
personality and character. Indeed, Sirius seems so eager to attack 
and
express his hatred of his family that Snape's real character was 
probably
irrelevant. In other words, I think Snape would have been his target 
no
matter what.


RL:

As far as we're told, the feud was between SS and JP, not between SS 
and SB. what makes you so sure Sirius was transferring his hatred of 
his family over to Snape?



Romulus Lupin, who's awfully behind in reading posts, as usual