Self-taught Occlumency? I think not

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> Karen wrote:
> > I was wondering if occlumency might be considered to be a 'dark 
> > art'. 
> (snipped)
> Kemper wrote:
> This has been an interesting thread.  No I don't think it's a dark 
> art.  But I think Snape did develop his mastery of Occlumency as a 
> defense against 'mental' abuse at home.  (snipped)


KarentheUnicorn's reply:

I think that, Legilimency is considered the dark art. If Voldemort 
can, look into your eyes and take thoughts out of your head and 
actually sorta see your memories, that seems very wrong. I don't 
consider that it would be a bad skill to have though! But somehow 
not approprate to do to someone. But since Occlumency is the defense 
against it, it would not be.

 But I wonder why its not taught directly at Hogwarts...unless thats 
something they teach in 7th year. But then, why would it be such a 
secret for Snape to teach Harry, I suppose it was because of 
Umbebutt.

I do agree with you Kemper about Snape and how he may have leared 
Occlumency. Perhaps his learning was as a defense against abuse, 
though we don't have much canon to go on this subject of Snape 
having an abused existance as a youth, we do have the idea of it 
from canon. I'm more apt to agree with that on the few things I've 
seen and from his attitude that he was probably abused.

So if say Snape was abused, then he may have developed these skills 
on his own, after all we have canon to tell us directly from 
Sirius's mouth that Snape knew more curses than a 7th year when he 
was a first year.
Plus considering he was very young when he started teaching, I don't 
see that he went to some teaching college in the wizarding world 
(haha)
So, is it perhaps one reason he is not so good at teaching 
Occlumency, that he himself was not actually taught the method by 
someone, but, that it was a product of survival.

If you take Ron for example, he lived with a magical family, but for 
the most part is as ignorant to using magic as Harry was when they 
were first years.

So, how then did Snape know so much his first year?
The direct line of thinking is, walking backwards from the 
Occlumency lessons scene's of Snapes memory, he must have been 
abused, so he had to defend himself..etc etc. This may explain in 
the pensive memory why Snape is so quick to grab his wand.

It could be that his existance has been totally lived out in abuse, 
I could almost say, maybe that is why he liked getting into Harry's 
head during the Occlumency lesson, and seeing him abused, its 
possible he now hungers for that, knowing someone else has suffered 
like him or in a like manner. So, this could be one reason he wants 
respect and wants to manipulate others, because he himself is being 
manipulated by others (Voldemort, Perhaps his parents, perhaps 
Dumbledore also), and since the students are weaker, he seems them 
as him when he had no power, so he is playing out the roll of father 
figure he familar with....meh...

The only contradiction in that is he favors his Slytherins and 
doesn't abuse them. But, my theory on that is, they are an ends to 
him winning the Qudditch cup and House Cup. So, to favor them gives 
him status/respect...example, You wouldn't beat your best hunting 
dog to death...so in effect he is using them to get what he wants, 
by favoring them. So maybe he doesn't like them as much as is 
implied. Is it really any different that McGonagall favoring Harry? 
meh..I don't know...

KarentheUnicorn