Lucius and Antisocial PD was Re: Lucious, Severus, and Nar...

[kempermentor]

No: HPFGUIDX 127496


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "fanofminerva" 
<drjuliehoward at y...> wrote:
> 
Julie is snipped until she poses the question:
  What is your opinion of Lucious Malfoy?  My post on this was 
#127435.  I am curious about a couple of things.  First, how do you 
see Lucious and NPD?  Second, what canon evidence do you see for 
Lucious and Antisocial PD?


Kemper now:
I see Lucius as Antisocial.  I use to think that perhaps he was poor 
growing up, but through this thread I think he acts like a Conduct 
Disorder youth who comes from money.  If this is so, he may not have 
had to experience consequences for his behaviors growing up.  I have 
no canon for this just gut of experience with Conduct Disorders.  
But... I think I can give some canon for Antisocial PD.  Needs three.

1.  Failure to conform to social norms with respect lawful behaviors 
as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for 
arrest.
2.  Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or 
conning others for personal profit or pleasure 
3.  Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead 
4.  Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated 
physical fights or assaults 
5.  Reckless disregard for safety of self or others 
6.  Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to 
sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations 
7.  Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or 
rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another 

Heres what I see

1.  In CS giving Dark Magic, the diary, to underage witch (Not sure 
if that's illegal, but there are raids going on to search for the 
Dark items).  Attempt to attack Harry at the end of CS when he 
unknowingly freed Doby.  In OP, placing Bode under Imperius Curse.  
Then killing him at St. Mungo's.  I think canon can be implied 
because it is mentioned that Lucius gives highly to the hospital 
which may allow for some privilege in order to get a snipping of 
Devil's Snare to Bode's bedside.  Almost everything at the Dept. of 
Mysteries.
2.  He presents to those `in public' as a philanthropist, or at least 
a generous donor.  Sufficiently deceitful.  Ted Bundy was a lawyer.
3.  I'm ruling out
4.  Back to CS, willing to assault Harry, a child
5.  I'm ruling this out as well
 I think he has a thoughtful 
disregard for others
6.  I'm ruling out 
7.  Though he never says that he is not remorseful, the reader is 
left with feeling that he lacks guilt.  After Voldy's fall, he comes 
back into the fold of Magical society claiming Voldy seduced or 
tricked him.

He seems to fit criteria. 
I have a new question.  Umbridge.  She wears a lot of rings.  For me, 
this is almost always a sign of a Borderline or a Histrionic.  But 
she doesn't quite read/feel like one.  She does seem to have a 
psychosis.  Maybe bipolar? 

Kemper