Lucious, Severus, and Narcissistic PD (long response)

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<snip>> 
> Yes, Snape is very hung up on respect - but is not hung up at all 
on 
> admiration, IMO. 
> Not having the books here, I can't check the text, but I do 
remember 
> Snape overhearing Harry and Ron bad-mouthing him, and he doesn't 
> care - he seems amused, if anything. I also agree that while 
pleased 
> with Draco's flattery, he doesn't seek it. 
> His economy of self doesn't seem to depend on admiration (this is 
a 
> definition of "admiration" from dictionary.com: "a feeling of 
> delighted approval and liking"; how unlike Snape does that 
sound?). 
> Admiration is about qualities; respect is about position and 
status. 
> As adults, we don't need admiration (although we enjoy it when we 
get 
> it) - but we all demand, to some degree, respect. As a need, 
> admiration belongs to childhood, respect to adulthood.
> If you look at the Snape-goes-ballistic incidents, they are much 
> better understood as hurt pride/dignity (i.e., being disrespected) 
> than hurt ego (not receiving admiration). 
> 
> I think this is a major point against the narcissistic Snape 
theory. 
> The narcissistic self got "stuck", so to speak, in the admiration 
> stage. Snape is healthier than that - his need for respect is 
> exaggerated and obviously a result of insecurities, but still much 
> closer to normal adult needs than a narcissist. 
> 
><snip> I don't agree with your last speculation. The narcissist 
> exploitativeness arises from a deep lack of an authentic response 
to 
> other human beings as specific persons. Think of Lockhart and 
> Voldemort. Lockhart's recognition of other people's existence in 
> themselves and their speficity is extremely shallow; emotionally, 
for 
> him, people are fans or potential fans. Voldemort is the same - 
only 
> for him people are abject followers (or not) - he needs to see his 
> reflection as the dark and terrible, most powerful dark wizard in 
> their eyes. 
> Snape, on the other hand, responds to people authentically, 
> emotionally (passionately, rather) and specifically - of course, 
he's 
> all twisted and bitter and full of rage - but he doesn't have that 
> unique disconnect that (I believe) characterises the narcissist.
> 
> 
> Naama, on the not-NPD side

Naama, You and I seem to be sharing the same view of Snape.  What is 
your opinion of Lucious Malfoy?  My post on this was #127435.  I am 
curious about a couple of things.  First, how do you see Lucious and 
NPD?  Second, what canon evidence do you see for Lucious and 
Antisocial PD?

Julie