RE; Getting out of Pensieve - Simple - Make it up.

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 127581


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "tinglinger" <tinglinger at y...>
wrote:

 
> tinglinger:
>
> ...edited...
> 
> That said, does anyone have any ideas what would 
> happen if Snape's memory as stored in the pensieve
> somehow ended and Harry was still inside?
>
> In the two instances where Harry "fell into" the 
> Pensieve, he was "pulled out" before the memories
> were complete.
>
> Would Harry have been able to get out on his own?
> Just curious....
> 
> 
> tinglinger

bboyminn:

I have a recent post on the Pensieve, and though it deal more with how
the Pensieve creates 3-D-scapes, there are still parts of it that are
relevant.

Date: Tue Mar 22, 2005  2:31 am
Subject: Re: Some more OOTP Questions
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/126432

Go down to question #3 in this post.

The first question to ask is not how could Harry get out of the
Pensieve, but how could/does anyone get out of the Pensieve. Well, the
first part of that answer is that other people are smart enough not to
go into it in the first place. The second part is that, as with all
magic, a focused intent produces the results you need.

I have a theory on this, for more indepth reading I'll post links at
the end. I don't think Harry went into the Pensieve or into Tom
Riddle's Diary, at least not phsycially. When Harry enters the memory,
it is his mind, or if you will his abstract Self or conscious
awareness, that enters. His physical-self is left behind.

I believe that if a third party had walk in on Harry while he was in
Riddle's Diary, they would have found Harry laying on his bed in a
kind of a trance. The same is true of his ventures into the Pensieve
in both Dumbledore's and Snape's office. When the appropraite
Professor entered the room, they found Harry with his face in the
Pensieve completely enraptured by what he was viewing, and equally
unaware of what was happening in the true physical world around him
(Dumbledore or Snape's offices).

It's the same as a Day Dream, haven't you ever been so caught up in a
daydream or a deep thought that you become unaware of the world around
you. You are deep, deep into this lovely daydream and some foggy hazy
staticy voice in the background begins to intrude. Then suddenly you
are jolted from you deep and lovely thought by a friend, family
member, or colleague say, 'Hey, are you listening to me?'.

In Harry's case, it's Dumbledore and Snape that bring Harry out of his
deep reverie. Further, just as in a daydream, it is the encroachment
of reality, that pulls the dreamer from the dream.

At this point, I fully acknowledge that Harry was quite thoughtless in
entering the Pensieve knowing that he didn't have a clue how to get
out. But young people are not known for the great foresight. This is
especially significant when you consider that Dumbledore had already
showed Harry the easy and safe way to use the Pensieve. That is, bring
the memories out to you, don't go in after them.

So, how do you selectively bring memories out? In Harry's case, he as
always accepted random memories as they came. So, not only can't Harry
control the return trip, he doesn't know how to control the journey.
In Harry's case, as with most youth, some thought would have helped
him greatly, because /thought/, or at least the power of the mind and
its desire and intent are exactly what control calling and dismissing
of the memories.

Dumbledore stirs the Pensieve, exciting the memories, then with his
mental power of desire and intent, he summons a given memory. Once
viewed, he dismisses the memory in the same way.

Now for the most part, Dumbledore is wise enough to call the memories
out to him, but I very much believe that at times when he needs deep
clear full independant analysis of memories, he to allows his /Self/
to fully enter the memory and Pensieve. Again, re-enforcing the point
that is is his abstract intangible Self that enters the memory. This
level of access to a critical memory allows Dumbledore unparalleled
and ever changing perspectives.

So, how does Dumbledore get out? Through the power of mind in both
knowledge and intent. First, Dumbledore knows how to call forth and
dismiss the memories. Further, knowing this and knowing the nature and
workings of the Pensieve, even his roaming Self has intellectual
knowledge that his physical-self is back in his office waiting.
Internal to the Pensieve, just as he does external to the Pensieve,
Dumbledore dismisses the memory, and that allows his Self to re-enter
his body. It's just like ending a daydream; to end it, you simple make
yourself aware of the real world again.

Now for Harry to get out, the first thing he has to realize is that he
  is not really there. Next, it to realize that his body and the real
world do exist, and he has to desire to be there more than he desires
to be in the memories. By heightening his awareness of reality and
diminishing his awareness of the memory; he returns to reality. It's
all power, direction, and focus of the mind.

So, in the simplest terms, when Harry is in a memory, he is simply
deep in a daydream, and to get out, all he has to do is stop daydreaming.

Simple as that.

See my published works-

Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005  3:59 pm
Subject: Re: Pensive Peeking - & it's Dymanics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/124072

Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005  1:14 am
Subject: Re: Pensive Peeking - & it's Dymanics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/124108

You do understand, of course, that I just make this stuff up.

Steve/bboyminn