[HPforGrownups] re: UnderageMagic/GoodGuys/AdultWizards/Histrionic /Muggleborn/TheDoor/Hooch/Cho

[Magda Grantwich]

No: HPFGUIDX 127652

--- "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at wicca.net> wrote:

> Suppose some not yet very well known member of the Order of the
> Phoenix makes his debut as a major character by *raping* Hermione
> at HQ. And we see Hermione crying on Tonks's shoulder; Tonks is 
> very shocked and wants to arrest the bloke to be tried for rape by 
> the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, and Hermione says NO! 
> Order secrets might be revealed during the investigation and 
> trial! so Tonks says, at least tell Dumbledore and ask DD to 
> punish the perpetrator. And eventually Hermione tells DD and DD 
> tells her he will have a word with the bloke, but asks her if she 
> can bring herself to keep this event completely secret, because 
> the bloke is too useful in the fight against Voldemort to expel 
> him from the Order ... is this bloke a good guy? 


Well, I really don't think this is a possible (let alone likely)
incident in future books.  I also think that everyone in the above
paragraph is acting in a very uncharacteristic manner.  (Dumbledore
wouldn't get a chance to talk to the perpetrator because Ron and the
twins would have hexed a bludger and hidden it in the perpetrator's
home where it would have flattened him into quidditch mud as soon as
he stepped into the room, assuming Hermione wouldn't have hexed him
herself immediately afterwards.  And the Dumbledore who was moved to
anger because Umbridge SHOOK one of his students would NOT counsel
Hermoine to look the other way about something like this.)

But accepting it for the moment: no, someone like that would not be a
Good Guy(TM), if only because he was willing to indulge in strictly
personal actions at the expense of the Order.  There is no reason
that benefits the Order or the WW or the fight against Voldemort
through the rape of any woman who's a member of it.  Anybody this
self-indulgent would not be a good Order member anyway, and should be
dispensed with ASAP.

A more realistic example would be: in his efforts to help the Order
as a spy, Snape has to take part in DE activity on occasion or not
reveal future DE activity that might save someone's life.  Does this
mean that he is not a Good Guy(TM)?  

Like the rapist question, the answer depends on the reasoning: it
will benefit the Order in the medium term, and the WW in the long
term, if some terrible acts are allowed to unfold in the short term
so that Snape's position as a spy is not revealed.  Although I would
expect Dumbledore to be cagey enough to ensure that the maximum
amount of carnage would somehow be prevented in each case.


> Some listies think that Snape's daily behavior is closer, on
> the scale of badness, to rape than to being unpleasant.


Some listies are wrong.  

Magda



		
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