UnderageMagic/GoodGuys/AdultWizards/Histrionic /Muggleborn/TheDoor/Hooch/Cho

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No: HPFGUIDX 127654


Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
 
Suppose some not yet very well known member of the Order of the 
Phoenix makes his debut as a major character by *raping* Hermione
at HQ. <SNIP>And eventually Hermione tells DD and DD tells her he 
will have a word with the bloke, but asks her if she can bring 
herself to keep this event completely secret, because the bloke is 
too useful in the fight against Voldemort to expel him from the 
Order ... is this bloke a good guy? 
 
Magda:
 
Well, I really don't think this is a possible (let alone likely)
> incident in future books.  I also think that everyone in the above
> paragraph is acting in a very uncharacteristic manner. 
<SNIP>> 
But accepting it for the moment: no, someone like that would not be a
Good Guy(TM), if only because he was willing to indulge in strictly
personal actions at the expense of the Order.  There is no reason
that benefits the Order or the WW or the fight against Voldemort
through the rape of any woman who's a member of it.  Anybody this
self-indulgent would not be a good Order member anyway, and should be
dispensed with ASAP.

Alla:

Well, I think that Catlady's example was right on target. I don't 
think that she was trying to analogize everybody's else actions as 
much as Snape's. You said it yourself - this "hypothetical" order 
member was willing to indulge in strictly personal actions on  
expense of the order. Well, that is EXACTLY what I happen to think 
Snape is doing. I mean, definitely, if you don't think that Snape is 
really carrying a grudge against James to Harry, then analogy won't 
work, but otherwise, yes, to me Snape is THAT self-indulgent.

Trust between Snape and Harry was essential in OOP, IMO. Trust is 
not build overnight.  All those five years when Snape was making his 
remarks, translated in OOP in having no trust between two people who 
REALLY needed to trust each other.



Catlady:

Some listies think that Snape's daily behavior is closer, on
the scale of badness, to rape than to being unpleasant.
 

Magda: 
Some listies are wrong.  

Alla: 
Erm... OK.


Just my opinion of course,

Alla