The Wizarding World: Expulsion & Hogwarts School

[Ravenclaw Bookworm]

No: HPFGUIDX 127750


Steve: 
As far as magic, in Hagrid's case, his magical education was stopped
before he had his qualifications, and his wand was broken. So, I'm
not so sure that Hagrid is banned from doing magic, he is banned
from having and using a wand which in effect is the same as a ban on
most magic.

Bookworm: 
According to Hagrid, himself, he is not allowed to use magic:
 (PS/SS, Ch4) [after giving Dudley a pig's tail] "...
"I'm – er – not supposed ter do magic, strictly speakin'. ...
"


bboyminn:

The point I'm making, though I'm not insisting on it, is that being
banned from having and using a wand, for most wizards, and especially
the poorly educated Hagrid, is essentially the same as being banned
from magic; No wand = No Magic. This is true with only a few rare
exceptions which would be unlikely to apply to Hagrid.

Because a vast majority of magic requires a wand, Hagrid is banned
from doing magic by not being allowed a wand.

As far as what Hagrid said, the 'What' is the same in your version 
and mine, it's only the 'Why' that is different.


Bookworm continues: 
I guess it's a matter of semantics.  To me, the difference is
like a drunk driver being told he cannot drive a car (cannot use 
magic), and having his license taken away (having his wand broken).  
The second is a physical act, the first is a legal matter.  Hagrid 
didn't say he `cannot' do magic (because his wand was
broken); he specifically said he is "not supposed to do
magic", as in he doesn't have permission whether or not he
has the ability.  And obviously his broken wand hasn't entirely 
prevented his use of magic.


bboyminn:

I don't think that's quite right. There is no 'graduation' in the UK,
and it's true wizards like Fred and George don't need qualifications
to use magic, they only need be of age. In Britain, the G.C.S.E.
(O-Level, A-Level) exams are your qualifications. They are what you
bring to a job interview to establish your abilities.

Further, in both the USA and in the UK, once you reach a certain age,
you are allowed to quit school; school is no longer compulsory. That
age is typically 16.

So, I'm not 100% sure of what you are getting at in this one point.
Did you misspeak or did I misinterpret?


Bookworm:
I was responding to your phrase <<his magical education was stopped 
before he had his qualifications>>.  I'm not familiar with
O-Levels and A-Levels, so I didn't think of them in terms of
qualifications.  My interpretation compared `qualifications'
with `requirements' then my thoughts jumped to
`graduation requirements'.  My error.

Ravenclaw Bookworm