Harry Potter and Ender's Game

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Phoenixgod:
Honestly, if DD showed as much angst about what he does to Harry as 
Graff does for Ender, I would like him more. I also agree that DD 
isn't quite as ruthless as he needs to be in order to get Harry up 
to snuff. I think Harry might even respect Graff's training methods 
more than the sort of half-assed training DD is providing him. Graff 
never lies to Ender about what he wants him to accomplish in an 
effort to give him a life he can't really have anyway. Both Ender 
and Harry are seperated from their peers long before they know their 
destiny. Graff is as tough as I think DD should have been. And I 
think Harry would appreciate his honestly and not being treated as 
quite the child like he is by DD and the Order.


Alla:

I don't know, to tell you the truth, I probably would not like 
Dumbledore treating Harry " a la Graff". It had been a long time 
since I read "Ender's Game" and "Ender Shadow", but I do remember 
that i thought that children  in the school and Ender most of all 
were treated as weapons and weapons only. Yeah, I know Graf was 
angsty, but I never really bought it, I guess.

Yes, I want Dumbledore to be honest with Harry, YES I want him to 
finally wake 
up and start providing Harry with some REAL training, definitely, 
YES , I want him to express more regrets, but I want him to do it 
more believably. 


Betsy:
The first thing Mazer does as Ender's teacher is beat the crap out 
of him and verbally abuse him.  Of course there was no personal 
animosity in either action, so Ender quickly got over his anger and 
soaked up all he could from Mazer, something I think everyone agrees 
would be a good thing for Harry to do with Snape (the disagreements 
seem to arise over the reason for the animosity between Snape and 
Harry). 

Phoenix:
I don't think there is much for Harry to learn from Snape except how 
not to live his life. Snape isn't a war hero like Mazer, he's a 
nearly worthless war criminal who shouldn't be allowed near children 
for any reason.


Alla:

I think we should team up and join the prosecution in Snape's trial 
on Accio. :-)

I actually think that there are A LOT of things Harry can learn from 
Snape. ( Hey, Susan, help me out here, if you are reading this post, 
will you? :-)) The problem, as I see it, is that Snape is either 
uncapable or unwilling or  both to teach Harry that.

If nothing else, Snape indeed has a knowledge of Dark Side, which 
Harry may need to defeat Voldie and Co, IMO.



> phoenixgod2000, who has a friendly piece of advice for everyone 
> thinking about reading the books from our posts. Only read Enders 
> Game! the rest of the series is terrible. Trust me. I have never 
> regret reading a book before I read Ender's shadow.

Alla, who TOTALLY agrees with this advice.