LV not fulfulling the terms of the prophecy? (long)
littleleahstill
littleleah at handbag.com
Fri Apr 29 16:19:52 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 128247
Angie wrote:
What the heck did DD mean in OOP when he told Harry that, "He [LV}
set out to kill you when you were still a baby, believing he was
fulfulling the terms of the prophecy. He discovered, to his cost,that
he was mistaken, when the curse intended to kill you backfired."
and in a later post:
"nkafkafi" wrote:
> <snip>
Lets look at the prophecy from Voldy's POV. Try to
> forget for a moment that you know the second half, and look only at
> the part that HE knows:
>
> "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...
born
> to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month
dies..."
>
<major heinous snip>
Angie replies:
It just occured to me as I read your post: How could LV think he
was "fulfulling" this prophesy, when it didn't require him to DO
anything? He had nothing to do with the "one" who was approaching.
Am I being too simplistic or hyper-technical?
Leah;
Excuse me massively snipping these posts. I've read through the
thread and I don't think Angie has had an answer to something I've
never noticed before and is a really interesting question. LV's
eavesdropper tells him the part of the prophesy quoted above. As we
interpret it, one is going to come who can vanquish the Dark Lord
(voldemort), and that One can be identified by the actions of its
parents and the date of its birth. According to DD, there are two
possible candidates for the job, Neville and Harry, and, having for
his own reasons, selected Harry as the most likely, Voldemort sets
out to destroy him, (and thus fulfills the next part of the
prophecy, and provides the third and final identifier, by marking
Harry).
So far so good. By trying to destroy Prophecy Boy, Voldemort is
acting in a long tradition of mythic villains. Perseus, Oedipus,
Jason, Paris, were all prophesied as bringing doom on their fathers
and grandfathers, and were therefore sent away, exposed on mountains
etc in an attempt to defeat the terms of the prophecies ( and of
course thereby bringing about the conditions to fulfill them). But
Perseus' grandfather and the others weren't trying to fulfill the
prophecies, they were trying to prevent that fulfillment, and the
general assumption, I think it's safe to say, is that Voldemort is
also trying to prevent the prophecy from coming true, ie. prevent
his vanquishing, even though his actions in doing so are a mistake
from his point of view.
But that's not what DD says. He doesn't say Voldemort set out to GH
to prevent the prophecy coming true, he says he set out 'believing
he was fulfilling the terms of the prophecy' As Angie asks, what
the heck does it mean? To fulfill the prophecy by killing Harry,
Harry must be the Dark Lord, and Voldemort the one with the power to
vanquish him. I hope that doesn't make sense. And it doesn't in
terms of the prophecy wording. You could try "the one with the
power to vanquish, the Dark Lord, approaches", but the next lines
then make no sense at all. Who is the 'him' who is being defied?
And it's not that Voldemort wants to end it all and get baby Harry
to zap him- he tries to kill Harry.
Or is it just an ancestor/descendent deliberate mistake?
Leah
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