Dumbledore's wounded hand

[doddiemoemoe]

No: HPFGUIDX 136691

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, juli17 at a... wrote:
Any speculation as to why DD, with his vast magical skill and  the
 super healing powers of a phoenix nearby, left his burned hand in  
that condition?
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> Wrexx

Yes, My speculation is that DD told Snape that Voldie had one Horcrux 
when going to retrieve the ring. (hence Snape thought he could kill 
voldie now--hence why Slughorn's true memory was important...This is 
also why Slug was made potions master..and snape given the DADA 
postion despite the reasons why dd never gave him the postion 
before.)...during the destroying of the horcrux...DD took a fatal 
blow...Snape gave DD a stopper in death potion...(not dark magic as 
DD allowed snape to teach this potion at hogwarts..and stopper of 
death was part of the cirriculum--on both snapes and slugs 
curriculums)...DD thought the best of Snape(but worse yet...trusted 
snape...and I still believe DD trusted Snape to be Snape!!!...but 
that was not to be..DD sent Snape back to voldie with Snape thinking 
the Horcrux was destroyed! *snicker* (I wouldn't snicker but dd did 
give snape a choice...He sent Snape back thinking voldie can die) If 
Harry knows little, if MM knows so little that she ask's harry at the 
end of hbp....then we must assume that Snape knows less...he is left 
to conjecture as DD has done all these years. (when Snape thought it 
was all about learning how to deafeat voldie...it was simmply to 
learn about voldie personally...things snape could have 
gleaned....hence, as I stated before; DD DID trust SNAPE to be 
SNAPE!!! 
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> Julie says:
> I assume phoenixes can't heal everything. Fawkes didn't show  up 
> to help Dumbledore on the Tower either. So some curses must be 
> impervious to phoenix tears. 

doddie here:

If Fawkes was not on the tower to save DD...then this is why he froze 
Harry...because DD did not trust Snape to do the right thing....only 
the "easy thing"....Snape probably AK'd DD because he thought Fawkes 
would rescue DD...but it was not to be...(massive joke on snape here; 
and Snape probably thinks DD is not dead..--at least not for a while)

Now we must ask ourselves....who did DD assign Fawkes to that 
night...and is this why he froze Harry because there'd be no room for 
mistakes?!?!?!?!?!  Who else needed to stay alive?!?! This also 
explains why Snape never bothered to Kill Harry---because he thought 
Fawkes would be there!

Doddie (ending tiradette)

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> I don't know about anyone else, but I was getting kind of annoyed
> with the continual mention of Dumbledore's blackened hand.  
doddie here:
you must pay attention to Hermione's description of DD's hand....(key 
word( DEAD)....

doddie gone

I  too thought "Why doesn't he fix that stupid thing, it's gross!" 

Doddie here:

Hence Snape performed the stopper of death---hence he thought it'd be 
okay to make an unbreakable vow....but alas...DD drank that stinkin'  
potion...and it seems fairly certain that his life force began 
slipping way at an increased rate...and if it had not been for Harry 
apparating with DD...he  probably would have been dead before DD 
could reach the tower.

(snippage)
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> I don't know if Dumbledore was actually dying throughout the book,

Doddie here:

I believe so...because we never see that blackened hand healing...nor 
dd hiiding it (which he would have done if he thought it would heal)

Also we do have Hermione's comment at the sorting feast.

And I don't think it was simply his hand I believe the "blackness was 
spreading)

doddie here:

I think you are right...hence DD shows his hand...but keeps his robes 
down...

doddie gone


> but I do think the curse could only be stopped before it did  
further damage, not reversed.

If you   think this, then there are only  three who could stop 
it.....madame pomfrey (according to harry--but dd's behavior at the 
end of HBP doesn't want/need her involved); and Professor Snape
(accordding to DD); or Fawkes none of which happened.

 The question in my mind is...

Who or what was Fawkes guarding that:

1.  DD's hand was blackened. (no phoenix tears)

2.  DD died at the hand of Snape. (this is the ONLY reason why DD may 
not be dead...but I think DD is dead)

3.  Fawkes was not around to heal Bill...

4.  Fawkes was not around during both DD's and Harry's greatest 
dilemmas...

Fawkes' lament happened in the aftermath...so I'd have to think that 
when all this was going on at hogwarts.....Voldemort,or one of his 
cronies must have been doing something even greater that Fawkes 
needed to keep watch on....

which leads us to the question of... "If Snape was DD's 'sacrificial 
lamb'"....then who/what was Fawkes watching....or who/what was Fawkes 
protecting.

Doddie....

(who may have made a point or two....but wonders what gives a phoenix 
his healing/re-birth powers......and does sacrifical love/healing 
come into play here...and wonders if DD's sacrifice will allow 
Fawke's tears to have more than healing powers if Harry must 
sacrifice himself...after all....Fawkes did play a role in the rescue 
of both Harry and Ginny in COS!)