Putting words in other posters' mouth - Rape

[vmonte]

No: HPFGUIDX 136843

Del wrote:
You can't just SAY it, you have to SHOW it.
So please show me where it says that Harry
CANNOT turn into a sexual predator or
anything of the sort. You pretend to be
discussing canon, so by all means, give me
CANON evidence supporting what is otherwise only your belief.

...there is no way *JKR* would make Harry
a bad guy. That doesn't mean that the Harry we
know couldn't turn into an abuser, in the hands
of another writer. To me, there's a small but
significant difference between saying "JKR won't
make Harry be an abuser" and "Harry cannot be an abuser".

vmonte:
So what are you actually saying? Your subject title is: "Putting
words in other posters' mouth-Rape," yet you keep talking about it?
You show me in canon where Harry is a sexual predator--I dare you. If
your argument is that Harry could be one in the hands of a different
writer then I'm not interested. I'm reading JKR's Harry Potter not
your fanfic about Harry Potter.

Del:
...Please demonstrate that I have talked more
about my own life than Harry's. You can't just
accuse me of having done it, you have to prove it.

vmonte:
You're kidding right?

vmonte:
"But it also seems to me that JKR is a VERY moral
person and that she is trying to teach children
some great lessons in her books. Imagine a book
that teaches children to value family, friendship,
and to be brave in the face of danger; to have
tolerance, learn how to forgive, and expect the
best in people."

Del replies:

* Value family: only when your family is on
the right side. Draco Malfoy is shown as being
decidedly wrong for following in his parents' steps,
while Sirius is a hero for having renounced his evil family.

* Value friends: ditto. Bad, bad Cho who remained
friend with Marrietta, for example.

vmonte: Yes, that is what I mean. If your family is a bunch of
murderers or Nazis you should not follow in their steps. It makes a
lot of sense, no? The Weasley's are a good family, Draco's, and
Sirius's are not.

DEl:
* To have tolerance, learn how to forgive, and expect
the best in people: I'll reserve my approval on those
ones until Book 7. If it is shown in the last book that
DD was a fool to give Snape a second chance, then I'll
have to disagree with you.

vmonte:
So your a fool to give people a second chance? I don't see Dumbledore
as the fool, I see Snape as the fool.

Del:
I'm not saying the abuse is there. I'm just
saying that we don't have to rule it out
because JKR hasn't given us any ground to
rule it out. The only reason we rule it out
is because we ASSUME that she never intended to
write Harry as an abuser. But then I also assumed
that Harry would never even attempt to use one
of the Unforgivable Curses...

vmonte:
Again, I'm reading JKR's books not your fanfic. Harry was unable to
use the unforgivable curses on Snape because he doesn't have it in
him. When he attacked Draco he did not realize what that spell would
do, hence his horror--this is canon.

Rizza wrote:
"I can see you're determined to believe
the worst because you're experienced the worst,
and so think it's possible of anyone. "

Del replies:
Actually, it's PRECISELY because I've been
in Harry's head for so long that I thought
of the abuse scenario. I have seen things in
Harry's behaviour towards other people that
DO make me cringe, and that DO make me think
that such a boy could turn into an abuser
if he weren't protected by JKR's will.

vmonte:
Thank God that he is protected by JKR's will and not yours. What you
are seeing is a manifestation of your own head, not hers.

Del:
Speculation:
1. Contemplation or consideration of a subject;
meditation.
2. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached
by conjecture.
3. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence;
conjecture or supposition...

vmonte:
Thanks for the dictionary lists. You need to reread them because you
obviously don't understand the meanings.

I'm also going to add another comment here. You have a choice whether
to believe the factual Harry, the one that is printed on the page, or 
the Harry that is capable of anything, which resides in your head. 

I actually appreciated this discussion because I can know understand
how Snape deludes himself about Harry. You do not understand Harry
anymore than Snape does, and that is very sad.

Vivian