Dumbledore's Pensieve (was Re: Snape's pensieve)

[saraquel_omphale]

No: HPFGUIDX 137100

> > Carodave wrote:
> > > However, the DD's pensieve is still at Hogwarts...presumably 
> filled
> > > with DD's memories...interesting. <snip>
> 
> Jen wrote: Except there wouldn't be any memories in the Pensieve 
unless 
> Dumbledore left them out, right? <snip> > That's not to say in the 
>five minutes Harry >went to get his 
> invisibility cloak, Dumbledore didn't intentionally drop the 
>memory 
> of why he trusted Snape into the Pensieve, just to be on the safe 
> side.:)

Saraquel:
I must admit that I'm still extremely annoyed with DD for appearing 
to underestimate the danger to himself on that fateful night and not 
making sure that Harry was filled in on a few necessary details when 
he had opportunities to do so: vis Before he drank a potion in the 
cave that seemed to have every indication of being able to think for 
itself (joke) and whilst he was flying (in a re-energized state) 
back over the walls of Hogwarts to a tower crowned by the Dark 
Mark.  Both of these were Obvious Life Threatening situations, in my 
opinion, and should have rung bells for DD  At least DD should have 
indicated to Harry what he meant when he said that Love was Harry's 
greatest weapon (see end of my post for grovelling, pleading re 
this!) Even if he still thought Harry should merely take his word on 
whether Snape was trustworthy.  So after all that long rambling I am 
hoping that DD has left Harry some information/instructions 
somewhere and I would think that the pensieve is a good place to 
start.

Secondly, my thoughts on what happens to memories when stored in the 
pensieve. To my mind there is a contradiction in JKR's approach.  It 
seems that Snape was using the pensieve in the occlumency lessons as 
a temporary store-place, for memories he did not want Harry to 
access, which would imply that you can take them out of your head. 
Although I've read some excellent arguments about this, see Carol's 
post, (137090, and btw can someone tell me how you insert a link to 
a particular post)  at the moment there does not seem to be another 
good reason for Snape to have extracted his memories.  However, this 
seems to be contradicted by  Slughorn's sluggish memory, as there is 
overlap between the sluggish and the real memory.  They both start 
in the same way in the room with all the boys there.  Strictly, if 
Slughorn parted with his memory to DD, then the only thing he would 
be able to recall when Harry asks him for it, would be *just* the 
fragments which he had previously tampered with.

> Marianne S:
> > I think the pensieve could be quite helpful! There are four 
>major 
> things
> > I would love for it to show. <snip> 
> > 4) What EXACTLY happened at Godric's Hollow on that fatefull 
day...
> > from Snape's perspective if he was present. 

I don't think DD was at GH so he would not have a memory of it, and 
even if Snape was there, there is no guarantee that DD would have 
his memory.  However, Harry doesn't actually have to go to anyone 
else to find out what happened at GH.  He was there, he will have a 
memory of it.  As JKR has pointed out (See the Mugglenet/LC 
interview) the magic of the pensieve is that it re-creates the 
*complete* scene for you, so it doen't matter that Harry was just a 
baby and didn't understand what was happening. I think Harry is 
going to realise this when he visits GH at the start of book 7, then 
he has to come to terms with travelling into that memory and 
watching his parents die for him.  I just hope he takes Ron and 
Hermione with him for that one.  Of all the things Harry has had to 
face, if JKR takes this route, which I think she will, this one will 
be the real test.   I suspect that what Harry will find out about 
GH, through his own memory, will include Snape in some way trying to 
save Lily's life, which will really confuse him. JMO.

Saraquel

Who is going to take this opportunity to plead and grovel for 
someone to please, please post something on how *Love saves the day* 
for Harry.  I've tried twice to get this discussion going and no-one 
has posted a reply.  For my last attempt see message 136797 No AKs – 
just the ministry room of love.  I think this is such an important 
thing to discuss.  I've seen stuff on how Harry needs to toughen-
up/learn occlumency/learn legilimency/learn avada kedavra – but I 
haven't read (admittedly, it might have been posted but missed by 
me, if so please point me to it.) anything on how we are 
interpreting DD's insistence that *Love is all you need.*  I really 
think that this is the way JKR is going to resolve the plot, and I 
for one would really like to discuss it.  Anyone else think like me 


 please?