for whom are the books named?, Re: Possible message in Evil!Snape

[unicorn_72]

No: HPFGUIDX 137143

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ladyljd" 
<snipped><ladyljd at y...> wrote:
> > KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

> 
> ladyljd responds:
> 
> I guess I saw it as sympathetic because he was a magical child 
left 
> alone in a muggle world.  Left to his own devices he had no checks 
> and balances on his negative impluses.  And it was clear his 
magical 
> abilities frightend the adults around him and allowed him to act 
on 
> his dark instincts without consequence.  He had lots of 
justifiable 
> reasons for being a jerk.  And no opportunity to be confronted 
with 
> his sociopathic tendancies until it was too late (Dumbledore's 
> arrival).

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Yes, but he was also given an opportinity by Dumbledore--and also 
thinking on what you just said, and the comment that Dumbledore made 
about His Mistakes being HUGE. A lot of people are saying this 
comment refers to Snape.....what if it refers to Tom---well I guess 
it could be both. I don't know, I've never seen Dumbledore as a bad 
just of character, he says he didn't know what Tom would be, but at 
their very first meeting he didn't trust Tom.

> ladyljd responds:
> 
> I take her comment as culpable for his overall behavior: meaness 
to 
> children, especially Harry; love of the dark arts; joining the 
death 
> eaters; revealing the prophesy and its consequences; murdering 
> Dumbledore; etc ...   In all of these things JKR sees Snape as 
> culpable and possibly past redmption.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

I don't know, I suppose, Does he really love the dark arts, meh, why 
would he want to teach Defense of it--I'm reminded to teach 
something you must understand it....does that make someone evil--I 
don't know.
> 

>> ladyljd wrote:
 
> If I'm right about the direction JKR will take this story, no 
> further Snape back-story is really needed.  HBP was about 
revealing 
> Snape as evil.  Whatever his motivations, Harry can take his 
actions 
> at face value with no futher need to investigate.  He just needs 
to 
> know enough to stop ESE!Snape in the next installment.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Well, I will hope that Harry gets a Yoda before he faces Snape 
again, cause he wasn't looking to good trying to chase Snape down or 
even stop Snape....but anyway. I guess this was Snape's big book and 
we just have to live with it. I suppose we should just get used to 
being disappointed then, because if that was it....then...meh--seems 
kinda boaring to me. You know, the guy in all black, thats greasy, 
thats a little snarky, that gives kids a hard time..oh yea, he's the 
bad guy. Its sorta like...you know, the cowboy in the black hat...OH 
yea HE's the bad guy no question about it.

> > 
> 
> ladyljd responds:
> 
> All of this is only wild speculation on my part based on what JKR 
> writes in her novels and says in interviews.  I certainly agree 
with 
> you about Snape's importance to the story - or at least how 
> important he is to my enjoyment of the story.  I just believe JKR 
> believes his story has been told in HBP.  And I speculate that 
> anything further distracts from the real story she's trying to 
> tell.  Her development of Snape has reached an end.  There is 
> precedent for this thinking in story arcs droped from OOTP to 
HBP.  
> Her use of The Order, the DA and characters like Moody come to 
> mind.  They went from apparently important to back-burner.  I can 
> easily see Snape do the same between HBP in Book 7.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Yea, but, Moody was never actually really importaint now was he, he 
was...um...not the real Moody--so, the real Moody was never actually 
really relevent to begin with...actually. I can see what you mean by 
Snape's importance to the story is possibly over--but--it seems more 
people that not are left with more questions than not, so, if JKR is 
setting us up for Disappointment....meh...I think I'm going to wait 
for spoilers till I buy book #7....but anyway.

> 
> ladyljd responds:
> 
> Again, I agree with you but I believe JKR has something else in 
mind 
> for Harry.  Throughtout the books his judgement as been questioned 
> where Snape is concerned.  If he is to lead the troops in book 7, 
he 
> has to have some sort of authority.  Since his magical abilites 
> appear to be ordinary, perhaps it is his instincts at judging 
people 
> that will be extraordinary.  That's why I believe JKR needs him to 
> be right about Snape.  This is just more of my wild speculation.
> 

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Well, isn't really saying Harry isn't right about Snape--but the 
question is--none of us except JKR know the real facts where Snape 
is concerned...so yea, we are all wild speculators--and I think that 
is what JKR wants, she says she loves the theories......so why are 
way way way more of them about Snape? She obviously must know that 
if her claim at loving to read theories are true. Harry like us do 
not have all the information on Snape--and if The reason Dumbledore 
gives in HBP is the reason for him trusting Snape...come on....its 
lame and that makes DD really stupid, if that were true and he took 
that as the reason, he could have easily been fooled by Voldemort 
when he came back looking for the DADA job. I have to believe that 
their was more to the reason that DD trusted Snape, so that leads me 
to believe we are going to get a reason, be it good or bad...or at 
least a better one.

So, saying that Snape is truly evil--why does JKR give Harry two 
evil enemies to fight--ok--maybe that seems lame, but, usually if 
she is following the classic hero story like she says she is--then--
hero's generally only have one major bad guy at the end....so, why 
does Snape all of a sudden seem way more powerful than Voldemort???? 
Why is he all of a sudden SuperSNAPE at the end of HBP, why did I go 
crap...Harry...sheash..get a Yoda or something at the end of the 
book.

Also, I was thinking.....Snape basicly went against orders in a way 
by taking the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa....at least we all 
assume he did since Narcissa isn't supposed to tell anyone---Isn't 
Voldemort going to be a little upset with Snape.....Even more so--
Isn't Voldemort going to be like...since when did you get so SUPER 
Snape and you AK the only wizard I ever feared....WTH?
Bla...this is whole nuther posting thread I'd like to make but 
anyway.

Well, Snape did do something noble he did try to help his friends 
the Malfoy's and I guess thats saying something isn't 
it...but...meh..anyway.

Karen