for whom are the books named?, Re: Possible message in Evil!Snape

[ladyljd]

No: HPFGUIDX 137120

> KarentheUnicorn's Reply:
> 
> Was.....that a sympathetic back story for TOM?? I was sympathetic 
to his mother, but not to him, he was a braty little git from the 
first moment Dumbledore saw him......

ladyljd responds:

I guess I saw it as sympathetic because he was a magical child left 
alone in a muggle world.  Left to his own devices he had no checks 
and balances on his negative impluses.  And it was clear his magical 
abilities frightend the adults around him and allowed him to act on 
his dark instincts without consequence.  He had lots of justifiable 
reasons for being a jerk.  And no opportunity to be confronted with 
his sociopathic tendancies until it was too late (Dumbledore's 
arrival).

> KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

> Is JKR talking Book 7 Culpable....Is she talking Book 1-6 
Culpable, or is she talking about His past?? Or is it all together 
in one big lump culpable.>
 
ladyljd responds:

I take her comment as culpable for his overall behavior: meaness to 
children, especially Harry; love of the dark arts; joining the death 
eaters; revealing the prophesy and its consequences; murdering 
Dumbledore; etc ...   In all of these things JKR sees Snape as 
culpable and possibly past redmption.


>ladyljd original post: 
> > 
> > More and more, I believe JKR sees Snape himself as immaterial to 
> the 
> > story.  Yes his actions will be a major trigger of the final 
> outcome 
> > but his ability to direct or (pun intended)spin this tale have 
> come 
> > to an end.  If there were a poll on this, I'd vote for him to be 
> > dead by or before chapter 13 of book 7.
> 
> KarentheUnicorn's Reply: 
> 
> I don't know...Snape immaterial, huh?? {snip...}  Why does 
> she save so much about Snape? It seems sparingly little really 
when the book is titled after him. Really we got hardly anything 
about him IMO, ... {snip} ...

ladyljd responds:

If I'm right about the direction JKR will take this story, no 
further Snape back-story is really needed.  HBP was about revealing 
Snape as evil.  Whatever his motivations, Harry can take his actions 
at face value with no futher need to investigate.  He just needs to 
know enough to stop ESE!Snape in the next installment.

> KarentheUnicorn's Reply:
> I'm sorry, JKR thinks Snape is 
> immaterial.....If he is good or evil, I don't think Snape is 
> immaterial to JKR, I think he is way more importaint than she is 
> willing to admit.
> 

ladyljd responds:

All of this is only wild speculation on my part based on what JKR 
writes in her novels and says in interviews.  I certainly agree with 
you about Snape's importance to the story - or at least how 
important he is to my enjoyment of the story.  I just believe JKR 
believes his story has been told in HBP.  And I speculate that 
anything further distracts from the real story she's trying to 
tell.  Her development of Snape has reached an end.  There is 
precedent for this thinking in story arcs droped from OOTP to HBP.  
Her use of The Order, the DA and characters like Moody come to 
mind.  They went from apparently important to back-burner.  I can 
easily see Snape do the same between HBP in Book 7.

> KarentheUnicorn's Reply:
> 
> Since when does a Hero have to always be right, I though a Hero 
> should be someone when they realize they are wrong admits it and 
> can learn forgivness and can go on and do the task at hand 
> whatever it may be. IF heros were always right, there would be a 
> WHOLE lot more heroic people living instead of dead. 

ladyljd responds:

Again, I agree with you but I believe JKR has something else in mind 
for Harry.  Throughtout the books his judgement as been questioned 
where Snape is concerned.  If he is to lead the troops in book 7, he 
has to have some sort of authority.  Since his magical abilites 
appear to be ordinary, perhaps it is his instincts at judging people 
that will be extraordinary.  That's why I believe JKR needs him to 
be right about Snape.  This is just more of my wild speculation.

Thanks for the great discussion,
Ladyljd