Missing Horcrux = Ravenclaw's

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No: HPFGUIDX 137167

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "esmith222002" <c.john at i...> 
wrote:
 
> I like being able to argue my point with someone who has the
> opposite 

Me too!

> view, so I will give you my take on DD/Snape. To me the most 
> important comment wrt to this is in OOTP. DD to Voldemort (and I'm 
> paraphrasing here!) 'It is your inability to realise that there are 
> things worse than death that is your greatest flaw'.
> To me this suggests that DD would be perfectly willing to sacrifice 
> himself to help Harry. 

Yes.  But it also suggests, now that we have read Book 6, that by 
this fear Voldemort has created the seeds of his own destruction--the 
Horcruxes

> But the question is why?
> Voldemort would never understand DD's sacrifice and therefore would 
> regard Snape as 'honoured above all others'. Snape is therefore in
> a very powerful position to help Harry.
> IMO, the richness that you speak of can still be there. I think 
> Snape's prejudice against Harry's father is going to nearly prevent 
> him doing what DD has planned for him to do. But there is
> definitely some link between Snape & Lily (I suspect that this is
> the important bit of info on Lily for book 7). It will be Harry's
> eyes (his mother's eyes) that remind Snape of why he switched sides 
> (how else can Harry's eyes be so important).

But see, and this is something I haven't read people saying yet--
Harry's eyes being like his mother's has already yielded the greatest 
possible result:  Slughorn told Harry the truth about the night Tom 
Riddle asked about Horcruxes, and by doing so, allowed Dumbledore to 
take the fight against Voldemort to his weakest part:  his fear of 
death.

I, personally--and this is just my own personal view--honestly cannot 
believe that Snape was in love with Lily and that he's going to look 
into Harry's eyes at the end of Book 7 and suddenly act differently 
*because of that alone.*  He's been looking in to Harry's eyes for 6 
years and he still despises Harry.  JKR has said that redemption is 
an important theme and something like it is possible Snape may redeem 
himself.  But I don't believe he ever switched sides; in fact, I am 
beginning to think he's had no side at all, and has been playing both 
sides.  Also, IMO there is no canon for the "Snape is in love with 
Lily" theory.  I know folks in the online Potterverse like to create 
all kinds of theories with no canon (Snape and DD cooked up an 
intricate plot, including faking DD's death, Lupin is evil, Ginny 
wore a love potion perfume) to get around the impending realities JKR 
is setting forth, but that's not how I approach the book.  
Consequently, my theories are less interesting, possibly, but they're 
always tied to the books.  JKR has one book left to tie up all sorts 
of things.  All of the backstory and subplots are done, IMO.  This 
last book isn't going to introduce _deus ex machina_ to explain all 
sorts of convoluted things; indeed the books, although they may 
partially conceal or disguise things, are pretty straightforward.  I 
can't see how she's going to waste a precious chapter, or even a few 
pages, on how Ginny made a love potion perfume in order to make Harry 
fall in love with her.  We're at the end of the series, and things 
are going to be simpler rather than more complicated.  I know the 
mileage of others varies, and that's OK.

> > > > 3.  From the POV of JKR:  she's all but said, in her interview
> > > > last month, that Harry needs to look for the locket, the cup,
> > > > the snake, and the missing item.
> > > >
> > > What she said was - 
> > > 'Harry now knows — well he believes he knows – what he's
> > > facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the 
> > > mark. I don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore 
> > > says, `There are four out there, you've got to get rid of four,
> > > and then you go for Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and 
> > > that's what he's got to do.'
> > 
> > Right.  None of her quote contradicts the contention I made.  She 
> > reaffirmed that we can trust Dumbledore on the 4 items he names.
> > 
> 
> Isn't interpretation a great thing!! To me, there seems so much 
> ambiguity in JKR's statement, that it guarantees that we don't know 
> the whole story wrt Horcruxes. I also don't think the Horcruxes
> will take a lot of time to deal with.
> The locket - At 12 Grimmauld Place
> The cup - I think this will be the real challenge
> The wand? - Either Neville has it or Voldemort has it.
> Nagini (or possibly Harry) - Find Voldemort & you find the snake

Finding the Horcruxes?  Probably not.  But breaking the curses on 
them to destroy them?  That will take a fair bit of time IMO.

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