Pensieves and other magic (wasRe: HBP (Snape's) old school textbook:
Julia
jolka55 at poczta.onet.pl
Wed Aug 10 21:01:05 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 137190
I find this discussion very interesting and thought I will post some
of my thoughts. I don't quote cause there would be too much text so
I'll just focus on what I want to add to the discussion :D
Snape's Worst Memory was something that bothered me for a long time.
And there were many reasons for that. I think that this chapter not
only tells us much about James Potter but also about Snape - but not
in the direct way...
Since we know that there were more that one memory in the pensive
when Harry entered SWM i should ask myself how did it happen that
Harry saw that particular memory? Is it in someway connected to the
fact that he touched the surface of it with his wand? (He did it too
when he entered one of DD's memories in GoF) I was wondering if
Harry touching it with his wand has somehow determinated which
memory he entered??
If it's true we can assume that SWM was a memory that somehow
concerned Harry (either his person or the situation he was in, the
things which were on his mind in that particular moment) Maybe when
his wand touched the surface, the pensive 'chose' 'the best' memory
to show him? In that case what does it tell us about that memory?
and the other two?
Another thing: was it really one of SS worst memories? I tend to
think that it was put there for totally different reason than Harry
thought. You've written before that the fight between Marauders and
Snape wasn't something special, and I agree. But then why did this
particular memory happen to be there? Is it because it shows 15-
yeras-old James Potter bullying Severus Snape in a VERY nasty was
(along with hexing him and calling him names)? Or is it because of
Lily Evans presence? I'm not much of LE/SS shippper but I find it
rather interesting... Maybe Snape didnt want to show this memory to
anyone cause there was a Mudblood helping him? THE Mudblood. You
were saying that Snape was hiding his memories from Voldemort. It's
possible that someone other than Harry could have seen more to this
memory than Potter... I mean, knowing the context or other important
things that might happened later would allow for example Voldemort
to gain some very valueable knowledge about Snape...
Back to Lily's case... Maybe it was too painful for SS, assuming he
developed some feelings for her later (or already felt something at
that ponit?) It's quite interesting in fact... especially if you
take into consideration JKR's words from Mugglenet/TLC interview
which indicate that there probably was somebody at GH..
Of course we didn't see the whole memory so maybe the worst part
(which was the reason for SS to put it in the Pensive) was about
James Potter taking off SS's pants? ;)
It might be good reason for hide this memory from everybody but it's
hard for me to believe that it was one of the 3 worst things that
ever happened to Snape throughout his whole life...
Next thing is about James and Snape using nonverbal spells. It shows
how advanced in magic they both were... it seems almost as a
competition... James' Levicorpus is quite effective while Snape's
hex is probably Sectusempra at the stage of developing and it
doesn't have a big effect yet... You were talking about Snape
loosing control... I find it theory really possible in fact but
still can't understand why it was so important for Snape to hide it
from Harry or Voldemort. I mean, his behaviour, though didn'r
resamble cool attitude of adult Snape, wasn't surprising at all...
But then again, maybe to someone who knows much more about the
situation this scene would be highly interesting...
IMO that memory MEANS something to Snape. It's very important to him
probably because of personal reasons... In that case only SS knows
what it's really all about... From Harry's perspective it may not be
so clear and if this memory is of emotional value to Snape it might
be hardly possible for us to decifer the realy meaning of it. I
think it triggers something in him, emotions or other memories... I
think they probably concern Lily.
(It's like when we would see Harry's memory of the day when he sees
Ginny for the first time after he smelled thta love potion in
Slughorn classroom... We wouldn't know why it's important for harry
but if we knew the context it would all became clear/ IMO similar
situation is with SWM...)
But then, the reaction of Snape also tells us something... He focus
on James behaviour as though the fact of bullying him was making
this memory so important. If this is true then i think we should
pity Snape... He's a grown man who can't forget his traumatic
schooldays and considers them as more important parts of his past
that his present 'job' as a double spy or the years spent in
presence of Voldemort...
What do you think?
Julia,
who wants to know wheather Lily helped Severus because she liked
him or because she hated James...
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