It's over, Snape is evil (was: Dumbledore and Snape again)

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No: HPFGUIDX 137418

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" 
<eggplant107 at h...> wrote:
<snip>
> I can think of 5 objections to the Snape killed Dumbledore 
reluctantly
> on Dumbledore's orders and at heart Snape is really a pussycat 
theory.
> I believe any one of them is strong enough to torpedo the entire 
idea. 
> 
> 1) Snape already had Voldemort's trust, we are told in chapter 2 
that
> he is the Dark Lord's closest adviser and he already knows of the 
Top
> Secret plan to kill Dumbledore, there was no need for the Order of 
the
> Phoenix to lose their most powerful wizard for Voldemort to trust 
him.

I think it is Narcissa's perception that LV trusts Snape.  Clearly, 
Bellatrix does not, and LV seems to have Wormtail at Snape's house 
to spy on him (for example, listening at doors).  Snape could be 
bluffing when he states he already knows of the plan.

> 2) It doesn't matter if Snape knows of Voldemort's plans now 
because
> he can't tell anyone, nobody in the OotP would believe him, in fact
> they'd kill him on sight before he could even open his mouth.

Yes, perhaps there is some other sort of indirect way he could pass 
Harry information without his knowing the source.

> 3) Snape seemed to be enjoying himself enormously when he murdered
> Dumbledore and nobody is that good an actor.

I would think that a look of hatred and revulsion does not indicate 
enjoyment.  I think Snape is a very good actor, I think one would 
need to be to be an accomplished Occlumens and to actually be able 
to tell lies in the presence of LV, which I think that Snape's 
comments in OOTP indicates he has done successfully.

> 4) I do not believe Dumbledore would ask anyone to become a 
murderer.

However, I could see Dumbledore stating something to the effect that 
if there is a choice to make between his own life and choosing to 
protect the life and soul of his students, to do the latter.

> 5) If Dumbledore did have some sort of wacky plan he would have to 
be
> brain dead dumb not to tell Harry about it; he must know that after
> Harry saw him be murdered by Snape he would never rest until Snape 
was
> dead, or Harry was.  

I think that it is a stretch to think that DD had a plan for Snape 
to kill him in front of Harry.  I don't think that DD would want to 
increase Harry's already existing hatred of Snape, which is exactly 
what has happened.  I think that DD was surprised about the Death 
Eaters in the tower, as was Snape, but am willing to believe that DD 
may have pleaded with Snape to save Draco.  I also think, based on 
DD's hesitance, that there is some other reason he trusted Snape, 
but that Harry is a very poor Occlumens, and that if Harry knew, and 
LV got access to this memory it might endanger Snape.

> It's time for all you Snape lovers to realize that it's over, the 
fat
> lady has sung and Snape is much more than just unpleasant, he's 
evil.

There have been enough instances in this series of things being not 
as they seem to leave me wondering.  I can make convincing arguments 
for ESE!Snape, Good!Snape, or TW!Snape, so I am withholding 
judgement until book 7 actually comes out.  But I do love 
speculating, and am not convinced Snape is totally evil (though he 
is certainly not a "nice" guy) just because of what we saw on the 
tower.  If someone walked in on Harry pouring green potion down DD's 
protesting throat in the cave, they might get the wrong idea.  
Whatever Snape is up to, I think there is more here going on than we 
know at this point.

Cheryl