[HPforGrownups] Dumbledore and Snape again. WAS: Re: Missing Horcrux = Ravenclaw's

[Jazmyn Concolor]

No: HPFGUIDX 137435


jjjjjuliep wrote:

>First, we don't know for sure that there was any sort of plan between 
>DD and Snape.  There is great ambiguity and a lot of hopeful 
>thinking.  Personally I think the book is much more powerful with the 
>events as the currently starkly stand: Snape has betrayed the person 
>who cared for him most in the world.  
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I disagree.  There are far too many hints to this, such as what Hagrid 
overheard and the fact that Snape made no 'villain's speech' before 
killing Dumbldore.  The hints that there are some poisons that have no 
antidotes, the fact that Dumbledore's hand was shriveled, showing he was 
slowing up and was not a god like some people think.

>Second, this was not an either/or situation:  it was not as simple as 
>Snape could either let Draco be a killer or kill Dumbledore.  There 
>is at least one more option:  Snape could have elected to break his 
>Unbreakable Vow, die himself, and let Dumbledore live.


If Snape did this, he would die, Dumbledore would die, Draco and his 
family would die and likely a number of students would die as Snape 
would not have been there to rush the DEs out afterwards..   Snape knew 
that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and 
Dumbledore's time was at an end.  Dumbledore was likely dying from that 
poisoned potion anyways.  Despite all the antidotes for poisons, he 
refused to let Harry drink it.  This tells me he knew what it would do.  
Harry might in fact be the real killer, but Snape just put Dumbledore 
out of his misery.

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>When you could sacrifice yourself for the person who you have 
>followed and respected for the past 15 years?  Yes.
>


Because Snape is more valuable to the Order at this time then a dying 
old man whose time had come.  His position as a spy will protect Harry 
far more then some doddering old man.  He can now keep Voldemort 
distracted from what Harry is up to.  Better then anyone can.  He can 
continue to protect Draco and his family.. His death would have been a 
suicide, not a sacrifice as it would NOT have saved Dumbledore anyways.  
More people would have died instead.  Its a war and Snape did what he 
had to do for the greater good.  There was no choice.  And besides, 
Slytherins are not the self sacrificing ones.. Its for Griffindors to 
throw their lives away for no reason... Like Harry would have if Snape 
had not saved his butt yet again by keeping the DEs from killing him.

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>Whose wishes?  We have no hard evidence--yet--that Dumbldore has a 
>death plan with Snape.  
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It might have not been directly the plan, but remember, they both know 
what would happen if Snape didn't go through with it.  More people would 
have died then just Dumbledore.  It was not the 'easy way', it was the 
only and the right way.  It will likely torment Snape for the rest of 
his life that he was manipulated by Voldemort into doing this.  
Voldemort is not an idiot, he KNEW that Draco's mother would run to 
Snape for help and knew that  Draco would not be able to do the job and 
that to protect Draco, Snape would have to do it for him.   Snape even 
stated that he felt the Dark Lord meant him to do Draco's job all along, 
Which means Snape and thus Dumbledore, suspected what would happen and 
this is why Snape wanted to back out (the overheard convo that Hagrid 
heard).

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>IF he is an undercover agent working for the good.
> 
>At the moment I am not convinced that Snape is working for anyone but 
>himself.
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>jujube
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I believe Snape is still working for the Order, but the Order doesn't 
know all the details of what went on yet.  Its not like Dumbledore told 
the rest of them he was going out to drink a deadly poition and likely 
didn't confide in them that Snape had to take that vow and would die if 
he didn't kill him...etc.   Its remarkable stupidity on the part of the 
characters that not a single one that knew about Snape's vow did not 
realise that Snape would have DIED if he did not kill Dumbledore.  One 
would think that Hermione at least would have thought of it.   Harry 
must have lost some brain cells from too many bludgers to the head to 
not even think of it himself.  Was he calling him a coward for NOT 
throwing his life away to save a dying old man who was outliving his 
usefullness to the cause??  Sorry, If I was Snape, as hard as it would 
have been, I would have done the same thing just to reduce casualties 
and protect the cause.  Dying and having others die, who may be key to 
winning the war would have been utterly foolish.

Jazmyn