Back to the cave and Dumbledore's screams

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No: HPFGUIDX 137582

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> 
wrote:
> Jen: I'm going to start at the potion and work backward. Thinking 
> about the way Voldemort's mind works, what kind of potion would he 
> make? One suggestion from Merrylinks I *really* liked, but couldn't 
> quite make fit in my own mind, was that Voldemort would make a 
> potion that forces a person to see his/her own death. That would be 
> LV's idea of the worst nightmare! But DD doesn't fear death and if 
> he was seeing his own death, he would have seen clues about the 
> experience on the Astronomy Tower. I don't believe that happened.

Merrylinks: Actually, the suggestion that Voldemort would make a 
person see his own death was *your* idea, Jen! Check out Post 
#135447. I think the idea is intriguing, but I want to be sure you 
get the credit for it.


Jen:
> So back to the potion, if it's not facing death, Voldemort's next 
> favorite would be experiencing fear. But not just feeling great 
> fear, the person would have to be defenseless, possibly in pain and 
> unable to perform any magic.
> 
> I do think Dumbledore's episode in the cave, and later on the 
> Astonomy Tower, must be the boggart experience JKR mentioned in the 
> TLC/Mugglenet interviews <snip>


Merrylinks: I agree. I believe that Dumbledore's boggart is seeing 
harm caused to others as a result of mistakes he has made. And when 
he chose to ignore Harry's warning about Draco as they were leaving 
for the cave, Dumbledore made a huge mistake.


Jen:
> Basically what we saw on the Astronomy Tower was very similar to 
> what Dumbledore experienced in the cave (without the same 
> particulars of course). <snip> I think we saw his greatest fear 
being played out there, and we 
> saw Dumbledore react as he did in the cave--'don't hurt them, kill 
> me instead.'

Merrylinks: 
Yes. I believe that in the cave and on the Tower we are seeing the 
same events, but from two different points of view. In a way it 
reminds me of the Time-Turner sequences in POA, where, the first time 
it appears that Buckbeak has been executed and Sirius is in danger of 
death from the Dementors, and the second time, we know that Buckbeak 
is actually freed and Sirius survives. In the cave scenes we hear the 
internal conversation Dumbledore will be having inside his own head. 
On the Tower we are looking at the same events, but from a 
perspective that is external to Dumbledore.