Horcrux creation and different kinds of magic

[ceridwennight]

No: HPFGUIDX 137718

Ceridwen:  Sorry about getting into this thread so late!  But this 
was linked in another thread accidentally, and I got caught up.


Deb <djklaugh at c...> wrote:
*(snip)*
> However in HBP we come across a magic that is banned at Hogwarts! 
*(snip)*
> I think that this particular spell comes under a separate kind 
> of magic... ritual magic.  We have seen this type of magic only 
> once before in the saga of Harry Potter - When Harry is 
> transported to the cemetary by the Triwizard Cup turned Portkey. 
> Lord Voldemort and Wormtail have set the stage for the ritual 
> that follows... <snip>  

And the final act in the ritual was to kill 'the ones who had 
thrice defied him', on what may be considered a sacred day, Hallowe'en.

> I think further that LV had created all 6 of his horcruxes 
> before he went to kill Harry Potter... *(snip)* .... I think 
> from LV's POV he would see this as the last obstacle to his 
> immortality (though IMO LV was already overconfident that his 
> horcruxes would save him from any attempts to vanquish him and 
> this made him careless and forgetful of the old powers, the old 
> magic that he so dispised and mistrusted - the power of love) .... 

Yes, I think all the horcruxes/horcruci were in place if this is 
indeed part of a grand ritual which has taken years to perform.  
He will seal the rite with a triple sacrifice (three is another 
holy number as well as seven), use the blood of the slain to bind 
it, and be free forever.

*(snip)*
> and if LV kills him and prevents the fulfillment of 
> the prophecy as he understands it...

How many problems arise in old tales when someone tries to either 
mold a prophecy to their own understanding, or to circumvent it?  
Oedipus comes straight to mind.  I know there are others.  Didn't 
that orphanage ever send the kid Tom to school???

> The power that he left with Harry when the AK back fired I think 
> is more along the lines of transferring a skill - parseltongue 
> and perhaps some of LV's ability as a legilimens. Rather like 
> being splattered with the blowback from any other type of 
> explosion.... some times shrapnel becomes so embedded that it is 
> very hard to remove. 

Yes, proving once again that trying to manipulate a prophecy by 
one's imperfect understanding, one messes up big-time.

BTW, anyone else wonder if Harry saw the *entire* prophecy?  Or 
just the bit Dumbledore wanted him to see?  Could there be even 
more to it than that?  And if so, do either Snape, who deliberately 
overheard at least some of it, or the barman at the Hogshead (Aberforth), know it?  It could either be fading out by repeating 
a form of the first line over, or it could have been going on to 
another part?

Ceridwen, a 'ten o'clock scholar' to this post.