Dumbledore and murder/This Snape hater accepts Snape is good-ish

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 138000

> Adam
> 2.  DD is against murder.
>     Really?  What has been asking/preparing Harry for all these 
> years?  The final tea party with Riddle so that Harry can convince 
> him to be a good little boy and then they ride off into the sunset 
> together? No.  DD has been preparing Harry for the final battle 
with 
> Voldy in order for Harry to kill or attempt to kill him. 

Alla:

He is preparing Harry to defeat Voldemort( just as DD defeated 
Grindelwald), TRUE, but killing him? I am not so sure about it now, 
when Dumbledore stresses over and over 
that Harry's special power is his ability to love.


Adam:
This tells me that DD recognizes 
> that murder IS acceptable in some circumstances and it would, 
> therefore, not be a stretch to think DD would consider the 
> circumstance of "that" night do be one in which murder would be 
> acceptable.

Alla:

In self defense maybe? Is there any proof that Snape was defending 
himself against Dumbledore?



> Sherry
<SNIP>
> Neither do I think Harry will be doing something as simple as 
pulling out
> his wand and shouting the killing curse to defeat Voldemort.

Alla:

Not me either, Sherry, in fact whether Voldemort will die at the end 
or not, I seriously doubt that Harry would commit act of killing in 
the first place.

My guess is that his ability to love would manifest itself in some 
kind of magical equivalent and that charm or something will do 
something to Voldemort, plus I am sort of agreeing that Harry will be 
ready to sacrifice himself , but will find it not needed at the last 
moment.



> 
> 
> Adam
> 3.  Murder make someone evil, therefore Snape is evil.
>     I will be looking for the same folks to post that Harry is ESE! 
> if it turns out that he murders Voldy.  The standards cannot change 
> just because the murderer is someone we like and the victim is 
> someone we don't like.  Murder is murder and a murderer is a 
murderer 
> whether is be Harry or Snape.  It may turn out that Harry will not 
> murder Voldy, but there is that chance, so we should be ready to 
> assign the ESE tag to Harry if it does transpire.  


Alla:

Huh? If Harry would murder Dumbledore, or I don't know anybody of the 
Order Members, believe me I WOULD call him Evil.

But calling him Evil for killing an Enemy, which as I said above I 
strongly doubt would occur, but if it is - I would consider it an act 
of self-defense ( even if Harry kills Voldemort in his sleep), 
because Voldemort had been after Harry for many years now.

So, unless you could show me that Dumbledore was Snape's mortal 
enemy,who made several attempts on his life  and Snape killed him in 
the act of self-defense, I consider  the circumstances to  be very 
different.


Hagrid" <aussie_lol at y...> wrote:

> Dang. I don't like Snape. I have trusted Harry / Neville and 
> Sirius's feelings for most of the series, but there is one point I 
> can't get around.
> 
> If Snape is a full DE, Snape will tell LV of the hunt for Horcruxes 
> now. 
> 
> If that happens, alarms would be set at each site to kill Harry ... 
> or they will be hidden more thoroughly than they have for the last 
> 50 years. 
> 
> Since JKR is not planning another 50 books, but wants to wrap it up 
> with #7, ... I'm sorry to say this, but ... SNAPE IS NOT EVI- ... I 
> can't say it (wimpers).
> 
> DID SNAPE KNOW ABOUT HORCRUXES?-
> Snape would have to know what kind of injury DD had the first time 
> DD cured him after the ring.
<SNIP of the quote about curse on the ring, which could be read 
UPTHREAD>

Alla:

Hmm, I don't know. First of all I am not 100% sure that Snape indeed 
knows about Horcruxes at all with Dumbledore not having confidantes 
and all.

I mean, theoretically, Dumbledore did not have to inform Snape about 
what CAUSED the injury, only what kind of curse caused it, right?

With his uncanny ability to recognise the magic in the cave, I think 
Dumbledore knew what curse was put on the ring, even if he could not 
heal it at the moment.

But even if we assume  that Snape knows about Horcruxes and he indeed 
tells about Trio's quest to Voldemort.

So, Voldemort increases defenses, etc, BUT I think in book 7 Harry 
and Co are supposed to perform some extraordinary deeds.

Therefore I think that even with increased defenses, assasination 
attempts on them , etc, they are supposed to manage somehow.

Right, so my point is that I don't think that  the fact that if 
Voldemort knows, he will make Harry's job much harder, proves that 
Snape is not ESE.

Just my opinion,

Alla