It's over, Snape is evil /Ruthless Dumbledore?

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No: HPFGUIDX 138476

Colebiancardi:

> > > <snip>
> > > So, without bringing Snape into the argument, 
> > > what is so unbelievable about DD asking to die for 
> > > the greater good of the Order? 

Alla:
 
> > That is PRECISELY what is not believable to me. 
> > I believe that JKR hits us  very strongly with " murder 
> > hurts the soul" metaphor and that is why it is not 
> > believable to me ( only my opinion of course) 
> > that "epitome of goodness" would ask anybody to 
> > hurt their soul for any purpose.

houyhnhnm:

Don't forget *Harry* was on the tower.  What would have happened to
*him* had Snape not performed the curse?  Dumbledore dead.  Snape
dead.  Malfoy possibly dead. And Harry left alone with four Death
Eaters, one of whom is the monster Fenrir. It would all have been over.  

Colebiancardi:
 
> > > DD can be ruthless, you know.  He left Sirius 
> > > in Azkaban for 13 years - when he could have easily 
> > > found out that it wasn't Sirius who killed Harry's parents. 

Alla:
 
> > I am sure we can speculate that Dumbledore COULD
> > have find out anything. To me the fact of the matter 
> > is that he had no clue that Sirius was not a secret keeper.
> > In fact he testified at the hearing that Sirius indeed 
> > was a secret keeper. To leave Sirius in Azkaban knowing 
> > that he is innocent would suggest to me a very dark 
> > Dumbledore indeed, but I don't remember any proof to that.
 
Valky:

> I am with Alla on this one. I don't think tht Sirius 
> being left in Azkaban was ruthless Dumbeldore at work. 
> Lily and James had said to DD thnks very much Sir and 
> please let us handle this one ourselves. He might have 
> had or not had suspicions for or against Sirius. If he was
> at the trial at the MOM it's possible that magicl 
> powers that work on peoples mind were protectd against 
> within the courts of the MOm, but even if they weren't 
> and DD using Legilimency realised that Sirius was telling 
> the truth he consistently has trouble ith the MOM and their
> law enforcement, they will have locked Sirius up even if 
> he had argued agaisnt it.

houyhnhnm:

But Sirius never got a trial.  Crouch just whisked him off to Azkaban.
 No one appears to have known that the Potters changed their secret
keeper.  It does seem possible that Dumbledore used Legilimency on
Sirius when Dumbledore interviewed him in Flitwick's office.  Maybe
that's why he was so ready to believe the Trio.