It's over, Snape is evil /Ruthless Dumbledore?/ Snape as good spy

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No: HPFGUIDX 138478

> Valky:
<snip>
>> It's not attempted murder when Harry does it in the cave, so if 
Snape
> was under similar orders to curse Dumbledore on the tower, is it 
the
> same as what Harry did?
<snip>
>I disagree that there is any
> absolute canon against this one. What Snape did on the tower could 
be
> no worse than what Harry did in the cave, and YES Dumbledore would 
ask
> someone to do it. 
> 
> Funny thing is, somehow he is still the 'epitome of goodness', so
> there is something we are not seeing, I think.


Alla:

It seems that I am disagreeing on post HBP Snape with people whom I 
used to agree with all the time :-)

Sorry, dear Valky. :-)

I realised that I actually never expressed my opinion on  much 
brought up parallel between Snape look of hatred and Harry's hating 
himself when he forcefeeds the potion to Albus.

You could be right, definitely, it could be a parallel.

But it also could be a comparison between two and showing how Harry 
and Snape choices show that they are completely different people, 
you know.


IMO,  the reason JKR shows it is  not to show Harry and Snape do two 
similar things, but two very different ones.

Snape's turning on his mentor, his employer - choosing easy over 
right and Harry doing what he had been ordered, even though it is 
incredibly hard.

I think that just as JKR shows how Tom and  Harry walked two 
different paths in life,even though they may have started 
similarly,she does the similar thing with Harry and Snape.

But again, since I am reading the same canon as you are but in a 
different way, I realise that mine is not stronger than yours, since 
I have no additional canon support to offer right now.
One more thing - IF we learn for sure that potion WAS fatal, than 
yours is even stronger.

Right now I firmly believe that Dumbledore expected to be healed 
after that adventure.




> 
> Valky:
> I am with Alla on this one. I don't think that Sirius being left in
> Azkaban was ruthless Dumbeldore at work. 

Alla:

Oh, we still agree on something. :-)

> > Ushit_K
> > Even an old and waning Dumbledore is a powerful asset. <snip>By 
losing him the Order and anti
> > Voldemort forces have lost a lot. 

Colebiancardi: 
> yes, they have.  No one is disputing that.  However, Dumbledore 
> wasn't going to live forever.  Are you thinking that no one else 
can 
> lead the OotP?  I don't think Snape will lead the OotP and I don't 
> think anyone is stating that.  I do think the Snape's asset of 
being 
> a spy is much more important at this time - he is the only one in 
the 
> Order that can get *close* to Voldemort(or as close as LV will let 
> anyone).  The battle is coming to a climax and all the insights 
that 
> Snape can gather and any havoc he can create in the DE's lair will 
be 
> extremely important.


Alla:

I am still not picturing clearly how post HBP Snape can be useful to 
the Order more than Dumbledore?

And believe me, I DO want to understand the theory even the one I 
disagree with completely.



As others suggested, the fact that all Order Members turned out on 
him REALLY fast makes it very hard for Snape to pass the information 
to the Order.

I mean I guess he can pass it anonimously, but I wonder how much 
trust OOP members would give to anonimous tip.

The other major use for Good!Snape is to help Harry in the deciding 
moment of final confrontation, right?

Doesn't the question of trust comes to play again? How likely it is 
that Harry is willing to put his trust into someone who killed his 
beloved mentor and who tormented him for several years.

Say for example Harry or his friends are captured by DE and Snape is 
offering his help to orchestrate the escape.

I personally doubt that any of them will listen to anything Snape 
offers.

Hm, maybe Snape would offer Harry to use legilimency on him to prove 
that he is sincere in offering to help.

Please, JKR? Let us see more what is in Snape's head. :-)


Just my opinion,

Alla.