It's over, Snape is evil (was: Dumbledore and Snape again)

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 138540

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107"
<eggplant107 at h...> wrote:
> "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:
>
> > it would not seem necessary to kill
> > Dumbledore in order to save Draco
> > from failing if Dumbledore is already
> > dead, or appears to be in the eyes of
> > Voldemort. I think he is dead, but I
> > think he was planning to fake his death
> > if necessary to release Snape from his vow
>
> So you're saying an Unbreakable Vow can be broken, you just need to
> fool it. Hmm, sounds like it needs a name change.

colebiancardi:
I cannot speak for pippin_999, but I don't think that is what
happened. I think that Dumbledore was being kept alive artifically
and Snape was keeping him alive thru those means, ever since the
blotched ring horcrux event. What Snape did was just *release* him
and let nature take its course - by letting DD die, as he was living
on borrowed time. Dumbledore wasn't around that much this year,
when you would think that he would be for Harry. Especially after
Sirius's death & Voldemort's battle with DD & Harry in OotP.


>
> > If Harry finds that Snape has
> > saved his life, he might be
> > disposed to consider whether
> > events on the tower actually
> > happened the way he thought they did.
>
> I like to think Harry is smarter than that. Snape is one of the very
> few people on earth that knows about the prophesy,

colebiancardi:
Snape only knows the first part of the prophecy. Not the full part.

> And I hope Harry never distrusts the evidence of his eyes, whatever
> tale Snape spins, Harry saw what he saw that night in the Astronomy
> Tower.

even if he can't tell the difference between a real AK and a fake
one? I hope that someone in book 7 tells Harry they need to review
what happened on the tower that night and puts his memories in a
pensive for viewing. Remember, Rowling states that the pensive is
objective & neutral - unlike Harry's feelings about Snape. Much
wiser people, like Arthur, Remus, Kingsley, can view that night in
question & conclude what really happened. Harry has *seen* things
before with Snape, and he has always been wrong. He cannot get past
his personal hatred of Snape(even before DD died). Although DD told
him that Snape did everything the night that Sirius died, Harry
*still* wanted to believe that it was Snape's fault. He didn't care
what DD was telling him.

I think Lupin will be instrumental in changing the way Harry views
Snape in book 7, if Rowling decides on Good!Snape.

>
> > Unfortunately Draco was present and
> > Snape had been apprised that he was
> > about to fail in his mission. How
> > was Snape supposed to kill the other
> > Death Eaters without activating the vow?
>
> Well Snape couldn't of course, and that is exactly why a good Snape
> would never EVER make an Unbreakable Vow to kill Dumbledore, not
under
> ANY circumstances.

colebiancardi:
In Ch. 2, Spinner's End, there is no, and I mean, no clue that the UV
was about Dumbledore. And up until the 3rd part of the UV, Snape
thought he was getting off with just giving aid to Draco. When Cissa
invokes the 3rd part, sealing Snape's fate, his hand twitches. What
could he do at that point? Yank it back and yell no? He is supposed
to be loyal to Voldy in Cissa's & Bella's eyes. That would blow his
cover. And spies do many risky things, BTW. You should read John Le
Carre's "The Spy Who Came In From the Cold" and tell me who is in
the wrong in that book.

My friend is just now reading the book - and he thinks the UV is
about killing Harry, not Dumbledore. So, view it with some fresh
eyes. He doesn't like Snape, but he noticed the twitch and said to
me "I don't know how Snape is going to get out of this one".


> One the other hand Evil Snape theories are a model of consistency
and
> mental contortions and back flips are not necessary.

Colebiancardi:

To you. To me, Snape is a very grey character - he is not a good
man, but I do believe he is working for the Order. There are too
many contradictions about Snape and his *evilness* to have him be
just old evil. Why did Rowling, in the movie PoA, have Snape's
character protect the children from the werewolf? To put himself in
danger, first & foremost?


colebiancardi