Did Ollivander know about the Horcruxes

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 138757


> > Valky:
> > I checked that Link Steve, but I think you might maybe have put 
> > the wrong message in the link. 
> > 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Actually, the connection between Ollivander, Ravenclaw, and the wand
> on the pillow comes out later in that thread. I though it was best 
> to start at the top of the thread and let people follow it through.
> 

Valky now:
Okay then, so I am the first to say that this theory is brilliant
because Harry senses *secret magic* in Ollivanders from the moment he
sets foot in the shop, am I? 

Woohoo for me! 

Harry gets shivers up his spine when he walks into Ollivanders, and at
the end of HBP in the cave Harry wonders if the shivers he is
experiencing at that moment are because he's cold or because of the
magic that Dumbledore is sensing.  O_o  Does anyone else think that
smells rather suspicious.. What a place to hide a Horcrux.. In plain
view of everyone.. Sounds like Jo's style anyway. 




> > Valky continues:
> > I was skimming through PS/SS just today gathering little tidbits
> > with fresh eyes, and I noticed the quote that you've put above and
> > remembered your post. ...
> > 
> > The three largest clues I think here are:
> > 
> > -The traces of magic in the store.
> > 
> > -Ollivander looking very closely at Harry's scar and saying "So 
> > that's where -" ...
> > 
> > -Harry not feeling right about Mr Ollivander. 
> > 
> > -The wand sitting on a cushion in a dusty window. ...
> > 
> > I think that these things might add up to a very evil Mr 
> > Ollivander.
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Maybe it's just a reflection of my own prejudice, but I don't think
> Mr. Ollivander is evil; creepy - maybe, but evil - no. Of course, I
> have no way of establishing that; it's just my feeling.

Valky:
Fair enough, Ollivander doesn't have to be evil. I was wondering
though, if Ollivander does have a Horcrux in his shopfront, and he
knows about it, then what was he about to say to Harry when he was
pointing at Harry's scar?

If Ollivander doesn't know about it. Say, if he was under Imperius in
the first VW an had his memory wiped of it, then I suppose he wasn't
about to say anything interesting to Harry that day Harry bought his 
wand. But I am finding it hard to believe that what Ollie was thinking
right there and then isn't interesting to us.
  


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> > ...edited...
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> bboyminn:
> 
> Although others seem to disagree, I didn't take 'the shop is empty' 
> to mean completely barren. 

Valky:
Nor me there Steve, which is why I noted that there was no specific
mention of the window. Arthur didn't say it was boarded up, like
Fortescues was, so these are two very different dissappearances. 


Steve:
> I took it to mean that no one could be found
> anywhere, but I assumed that Ollivander left his shop and inventory
> intact, which is why it didn't look like there was a struggle. The
> lack of struggle, to me, implies that the shop was completely normal
> except for the fact there wasn't a soul around.

Valky:
Yeah it's definitely valid to read it that way IMO, so I think you
could be right.

> Steve:
> On the overal subject of whether Ollivander knew about the 
> Horcruxes, I don't think he did. It's true he did have some 
> information that wasn't common knowledge like the connection between 
> Voldemort and Tom Riddle, but we know that Dumbledore is scant with 
> information. He doesn't tell anybody anything they don't need to 
> know and that doesn't serve Dumbledore. 

> Now applying that to the Horcruxes, it seems that very few in the
> wizard world even know what they are. The information is banned at
> Hogwarts by Dumbledore. So this doesn't seem to be information that
> Dumbledore is throwing about over tea. Certainly he would keep the
> knowledge of the Horcrux in general and of their application by
> Voldemort a closely guarded secret. I really don't see any reason 
> for Ollivander to know.

Valky:
hmmm but I wouldn't be supposing tht Ollie knew of Horcruxes by way of
DD divulging it. In fact, if there is a Horcrux in Ollies shop, it
would be likley to me that Ollivander has done something in the past
that would keep DD from telling him anything, Ollie would be on the
'reasonable doubt that we can trust him' list IMO because he'd have
probably gone in for something shady in the first instance to make him
of interest to LV. OTOH I imagine that Ollivander the best wand maker
of all, might be particularly clever in another specific area. He's a
perfectionist in his trade and thats all we know, so I'd wonder if he
has a hobby that develops his character more roundly. One trade one
Hobby. It would be the Hobby that interests Voldemort the most I'd
say. Since LV alredy has a really cool and unique wand. 

I haven't got my copy of GOF, (don't ask) so I can't really look
deeper in to Ollie for signs of a secondary interest that would give
us clues here. I know he is involved in security for the Triwizard
tournament, so perhaps he has interest in that sort of thing, maybe it
is he that LV draws on for inspiration when he is trying to come up
with a cunning trap. I m wandering blind here, I hope some one with a
copy of GOF could lead me onto the right track.

All in all I am pretty enthusiatic myself, about this theory. 

Valky