[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape, Hagrid and Animals

[Irene Mikhlin]

No: HPFGUIDX 143789

a_svirn wrote:

>>Irene: 
>>Bringing it back to Snape, if we use the same
standard, it must be 
> 
> all
> 
>>Neville's fault, right? 
>  
> a_svirn:
> 
> Er.. what is Neville's fault? His poor performance
at potions? Well, 
> yes, I suppose it is.

I take my hat off to you. With the herd of double
standards usually roaming around this issue, our
discussion is an unexpected pleasure. :-)

> 
> a_svirn:
> Do you know I believe one doesn't necessarily have
to be a git, 
> sadistic or otherwise, to maintain discipline in the
classroom? Take 
> Slughorn for instance  a perfectly amiable
gentleman, and yet he 
> experiences no difficulties whatsoever in holding
his pupils 
> attention. 

Ah yes, old Slughorn. If I haven't had larger problems
with the way Snape has turned out in book 6, I'd be
really peeved with JKR for introducing Slughorn.
Because I so wanted to see if Snape runs his class any
different with students who are both willing and
capable to learn.
I suspect he does (based on Snapeish teachers I've met
in real life), but of course we'll never know now.

Alla wrote:

> But I would be surprised if 
> Neville did not struggle with them, if his thoughts
are probably 
> concentrated on whether Trevor will live or die

Trevor was involved in one lesson out of what, 180?
And let's go over this lesson in more detail if you
don't mind.

I don't have the book with me, but I'm pretty sure
that Snape didn't say a word, nor sent a glare
Neville's way during that lesson until the potion was
already ruined. Only then he threatened to feed it to
Trevor whether Neville can put it right or not.

I think Neville is a metaphor for a special needs
pupil, and I also think that Snape is a very wrong
teacher for this kind of children. But it does not
change the fact that Neville makes mistakes with very
straightforward instructions *all on his own*, through
no fault of Snape. 


Sherry wrote:
>> 
>> If I had to pick, I'd take Hagrid over a sadist
like Snape any day 
>> of the year.  

I went over my educational history, and I can frankly
say that several times I've chosen "Snape" over
"Hagrid" when presented with such choice.
But then I don't see Snape's teaching methods as
sadistic for sadism sake. That's the root of our
difference in choices, I believe. 

Alla wrote:

> I take a Hagrid over Snape in a 
> heartbeat as a loyal protector for my child; I would
take Hagrid 
> over Snape as a friend for my child. I would take 
Hagrid over Snape 
> as one on one tutor for my child, I am not sure if I
will be very 
> comfortable leaving my child in the group setting
leaded by Hagrid.

I was not ironic when I said Hagrid has a heart of
gold. He is a very nice person in his way, and can be
a wonderful friend for a responsible adult. However, I
would not like him near my children in any capacity:
friend, protector, tutor, anything.
You see, he dumps his problems on the children,
repeatedly. Norbert, Aragog, Buckbeak trial, Grawp.
They have to tell him to stop drinking. They have to
tell him how to plan his lessons to keep his job.
He does not mean any of it, but it does not matter
IMO.
I know JKR loves him, and she seems to value good
intentions above other things, but we don't always
have to agree with her.

Irene




		
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