[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape, Hagrid and Animals/Crime and Punishment

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 143854

a_svirn:

There is no reason in the world why Hagrid's students should
disbelieve him. He's an adult, a teacher,

Magpie:

Which is why he's expected to have take responsibility and have more control 
over the environment than he does.  In no other class would missing one line 
mean you are in this kind of danger.  If it did all the kids would be dead. 
He's not only the teacher when it makes Malfoy look bad.

a_svirn:

 and they, moreover, have
a "true and sensible avouch" of their own eyes: after all,
hippogriffs do look rather ferocious and have long talons.

Magpie:

And yet Hagrid is sticking them on top of them and releasing them into a 
paddock with instructions to pet away on their own.  This is the essence of 
Hagrid.  Why do the kids even need a class if they're supposed to be such 
pros via common sense?

a_svirn:

 The only
reason Draco fails to get Hagrid's message is because he does NOT
regard him as a teacher and a superior. For him Hagrid is an "oaf".
A servant, an underling undeservingly elevated to a high social
position, probably for no better reason than to spite the Malfoys.

Magpie:

Actually, he follows Hagrid's instructions that he hears.  The main reason 
he doesn't get this message is that he's whispering at the time Hagrid says 
it, something Harry's done a lot in his classes without thinking any of his 
teachers is an oaf. Hagrid has his own problems listening to others.

a_svirn:

After all, it is a well-known scientific fact that the Universe is
revolved around the Malfoy's Wiltshire mansion. Now, how can *that*
be a Hagrid's fault? I am not saying that he's a good teacher, I
know he's lousy. But the hippogriff's lesson calamity is a Draco's
responsibility, and Draco's alone.

Magpie:

Hagrid's a bad teacher no matter which kid gets hurt in his class and how 
and why you imagine them to feel about him.  And I still don't see this 
situation any differently than I did before, because it's presented pretty 
clearly: Malfoy has responsibility for his own actions that led to his 
getting hurt, and Hagrid has responsibility for all the things he did that 
led to trouble--which was a lot.  Malfoy certainly listens in class now, 
having learned what could happen. The rest of the school continues to fear 
for their lives in his class.  Hagrid continues to be pretty much the same.

-m