Snape, Hagrid and Animals
lagattalucianese
katmac at katmac.cncdsl.com
Sun Dec 4 02:08:36 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 144025
>
> Sherry now:
>
> i've been thinking all day about how to respond to this. i
absolutely and
> completely disagree with your assessment of Sirius here. But
personal
> feelings aside, because he is my favorite adult character, I don't
think it
> holds up against the facts either.
>
> First of all, *anyone* adult or child, would be humiliated about
having
> themselves turned upside down and their underwear showing in front
of a
> crowd of their peers. Can you imagine not feeling upset about such a
> terrible thing? It doesn't need to be any more sinister than that.
>
Upset, yes, but not to the point that it obsesses you for life. As it
clearly does with Snape. I think what we are seeing in the Pensieve
is just the tip of the iceberg, one of many similar assaults on young
Severus' physical and emotional space. As I see it, this harrassment
has gone on for years, to the point that it is making Snape
physically sick (see the description of him in the O.W.L.S. test).
>
> Your comments about the supposed real reason for James turning poor
Sevvy
> upside down implies that James did it for Sirius, which means you
think
> James knew of his terrible behavior.
>
Well, yes... I think all four of the Marauders are in on the dirty
little secret, and responding to it in their individual ways: James,
as Sirius' best buddy, right-hand man, and facilitator; Remus as
the "protected" outcast, supporting the others and hating himself for
it; and Peter tagging along and drooling down his bib at Severus'
pain and humiliation. (Go back and read the whole episode, and watch
what each of the Marauders is doing. It's pretty enlightening.)
>
> ...If that is true, why would he
have
> made Sirius the godfather and guardian to his son? There is no way
any
> parent would knowingly make a child molester his son's guardian.
Remember,
> Sirius isn't just a godfather, a position that has no legal
validity, he is
> also Harry's guardian. It would have been criminal for Lily and
James to
> have considered leaving their son in the hands of someone who they
knew had
> done the terrible things you think Sirius did. Whatever you think
of James
> as a teenager, unless you think he never did change and that he was
> incredibly evil and sadistic, he would not subject his son to that!
>
Here, I think we're back to a home-grown Gryffindor version of
that "us" versus "them" thinking that everybody has been decrying
lately in Slytherin. Sirius is a pure-blood and a spoiled brat, as,
in all fairness, is James. Sirius comes from a family that beheads
its house elves and uses their mounted heads to decorate the front
hall (and I find it interesting that having inherited the house and
thrown out a fair amount of stuff he finds offensive, Sirius has left
the heads in place, which argues at the very least a certain lack of
sensitivity toward his household staff); a family that has petitioned
the MoM to legalize Muggle hunting. Not a nice family, and some of
that thinking had to have rubbed off on Sirius; little as he likes
most of his relatives, he seems to dislike them for personal reasons,
not because of their social elitism. James can entrust Harry to
Sirius' guardianship believing that Sirius would never let down "our"
side by taking advantage of Harry, and betraying James' friendship
and the kindness of James' parents. And I dare say James is perfectly
right, though Molly Weasley is unconvinced.
(Interestingly, I don't think we are told what Lily thinks of this
arrangement.)
Whereas Severus is this weedy half-blood kid from a nuthin' family,
and as such fair game to be victimized by Sirius and his Marauders,
and even killed outright if he doesn't cooperate. (Interesting that
that was what stuck in James' craw, whereas he seemed perfectly
comfortable with the hazing.)
>
> Also, there are JKR'S words about Sirius. Would she cry when she
killed
> Sirius, if he was the monster you think? Would she say the good
things
> about him that she does? This would make Sirius into a creature as
evil and
> disgusting as Voldemort.
>
Well, no, there are degrees of evil and disgusting, after all. And
Sirius may have reformed, having lost James and Lily so shockingly
and having had all that nice spare time at the Azkaban Club and Day
Spa to think things over. But I wouldn't bet the farm on it, and
neither, I think, would Snape.
As for JKR, we have only her word for what she feels about Sirius,
and JKR, IMHO, is a past master of misdirection.
>
> As for why the Weasleys are at Grimauld place, that seems so
obvious to me
> and doesn't need sinister plots to explain. It was the headquarters
of the
> Order of the Phoenix after all. they were all guarding the prophecy
at the
> time and must have been easier to report and have meetings there.
As well
> as being convenient to have all the kids there. Since it was
unplotable and
> under the Fidelius Charm, it was safer than anywhere else.
>
> Sherry
>
And is that why *inside the house* she escorts the kids everywhere?
Does she think something nasty is going to come down the chimney and
grab them if she takes her eyes off them for a minute?
I'd love to be wrong about Sirius, but I'm afraid I don't have a very
high opinion of him and his Marauders, and I don't think the Prank
was even remotely innocent.
--La Gatta
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