[HPforGrownups] Re: CHAPDISC: HBP5, An Excess of Phlegm (various responses)

[Juli]

No: HPFGUIDX 144155

1) We don't see many people who call Dumbledore by his first name. Minerva calls him Albus (PS/SS Ch 1), maybe Mad-Eye Moody calls him Albus, perhaps also Fudge, but Molly? That's a first. How close do you think the Members of the Order actually are? Molly calling him Albus makes me think that all of them see each other as family, not only as colleagues. What do you think?


Miles:
Much more interesting is, that Dumbledore seems to address all people by their first names, but not all dare (?) to do it with him. I have the impression, that this is less a problem of Dumbledore objecting to this, but that he is in a very special position, superior to everyone he meets - part
of his loneliness. I would consider, that he has to *ask* people to address him the same way he does. And he may have asked the members of the Order to do so. And yes,
maybe this is comforting him like having a family.
   
  Juli: So basically he intimidates people (not in a bad way), he's the most powerful wizard, the brightest, the most everything. I think I wouldn't dare either to call him Albus, even if he had never been my teacher!
  
Miles: Molly is in several ways the emotional center of the Order, whereas Dumbledore is the spiritual and intellectual leader.
   
  Juli: So Molly's the Heart, Dumbledore is the Soul and Brains? I like this idea.
  
2) Mollywobbles. Anyone knows what it means? Not being English myself I haven't a clue about it.

  bboyminn: I think to some extent 'Mollywobbles' is a made up name/word.
   
  Juli: So it's just a silly nickname? I thought there was something else there...

>   4)     What's with Fleur's comment of Gabrielle? (The one when she mentions Gabrielle has been talking non stop about Harry). Is it a sign of what we may see in book 7, a possible relationship between her and Harry? Maybe Gabrielle as a young Ginny?

Alla:
Gah. I hope not. :-) Sorry, Juli. 

  Juli: Me neither, Gabrielle should be about 12 - 13 in book , way too young for a 17 year old Harry, me thinks. Ginny's only a couple of months younger than Harry and still it took him 5 years to see her as a "girl", not only as his best friends' little siter.
   
  Betsy Hp: If he'd let them I'd bet the Prophet would be all over a "Win a date with Harry Potter!" event.
   
  Juli: It sounds like something Rita Skeeter would do ;)

  6) We all know Tonks is seriously depressed. Is her depression because she has lost a dear cousin, or because Remus won't marry her? Or perhaps a bit of both. What do you think

  CH3ed: Hermione's diagnosis is propable, except that Tonk looked perfectly fine when she and other OotP member came to see Harry off at King's Cross at the end of OotP and Sirius was already dead then.
   
  Juli: Perhaps she was in shock back then?
   
  7)Why wasn't there a memorial, funeral, or wake for Sirius?
I know there wasn't a body to bury, but still, those who loved
him needed to say good-bye: they needed closure.

bboyminn: I suspect timing had something to do with it. True there was no body,so nothing to honor or bury, but it is also true that they would havewanted to give Harry maximum protection. So, they rushed him back the Dursleys were he had the protection he needed.  Then as time passed, in some sense, it was too late. They had all moved on. Sirius was lost
and that was that.
   
  Juli: I'd never thought of it that way. You're probably right, Steve. Their priority was (is) to keep Harry alive, Sirius' funeral just wasn't as important.

bboyminn: On a slightly different note, for those who have read my 'Through the Veil and Back' theory, it's possible that no service was held because JKR intends to bring Sirius back in the most spectacular and dramatic way. True the dead are dead, never to return, but the circumstances around Sirius's death were very unsual. Normally, a spirit/soul goes
through the Veil and leave the body behind. Perhaps, the cirumstances of both body and soul behind the Veil is enough to allow Sirius to come back, if he can only find a method, and that method is in my 'Through the Veil and Back' theory.

  Juli: I hope you're right. I can't handle the idea that Sirius is truly gone. 
  
8)     Do you think that Molly's clock with all its hands 
pointing towards mortal peril is a sign of what may happen in book 7? Will we be seeing more than one Weasley death? Who do you think it will be? When reading this chapter I got flash-backs to Molly's bogart in Grimmauld Place. Will all her worst fears come true?


Alla: See, I don't know. I am pretty confident that we won't lose many Weasleys, but even though it is reasonable to assume that at least one Weasley will fall, and there are so many of them, I don't know about it either.
   
  Juli: when you put it like that, then at least one Weasley is bound to die, the odds are working against them.

Alla: I read a very nice speculation on Fiction Alley once that the people whom JKR wishes Happy Birthday are the people who survive the series, because Sirius and Dumbledore are not there, since supposedly they are wished Happy Birthday in the present time and ALL Weasleys are there. ( On the other hand Snape is there too. :))

  Juli: I've also read that theory, and it could also be that only the good guys that survive are ther.
  
Betsy Hp: I like to think that Molly's clock is the way it is because one of the Weasley twins is a Death Eater spy and any of the Weasleys could buy it if they stumble upon his deadly secret.
   
  Juli: so, which twin is the evil one, Fred or George? and does the other twin know about it? This is the time I've heard this theory, there're other theories about both of them being evil, but not a single one about One evil twin.


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