Did Snape lie in Spinner's End? Was:Re: Snape and GOF

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> Jen
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> What I'd still like to know is how Snape passed off that comment 
> about helping dispose of Sirius when Nacissa was sitting right 
there-
> -didn't Dumbledore say Kreacher passed the information about 
Sirius 
> to Narcissa? Maybe this was figured out right after the release 
and 
> I missed it, but it seems incongruous.
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Elyse here, posting after some time...

I'm really glad this was brought up. I cannot believe I missed it 
during my first read of HBP.
During Spinner's End, when Snape said he actively contributed to 
Sirius' death, I cheered inwardly at what I thought I knew was an 
absolute lie, since it proved he was on the Light side. Of course 
then he talked about killing Emmeline Vance and that really threw me!
But since then I wonder what exactly was he doing bragging in front 
of Narcissa of all people?

Dumbledore told us that Kreacher went to the only person of the 
Black family left - Narcissa Malfoy nee Black. So Kreacher goes to 
Cissy, tells her about the relationship between Sirius and Harry.
She then conveys this information to Lucius, who subsequently tells 
the Dark Lord. After some thinking, Voldemort says "I have a cunning 
plan!" and tells Kreacher to keep Sirius out of the way on a certain 
day when he will present Harry with a false vision of tortured 
Sirius in the DoM.
But in order to do this, he must have told Lucius who told Narcissa 
who tells Kreacher. So Narcissa was pretty involved in the lead up 
to Sirius death. 

So did Snape know all of this? Was he in on it, or did Voldemort 
leave him in the dark suspecting his loyalty?
If Snape knew, and passively let things happen the he could claim 
involvement in his death in a passive way, yes. But the way he tells 
it to Bellatrix it sounds as if he actively provided information to 
Voldemort.
I dont take these claims seriously since the only thing he could 
have told him about Sirius was his frustration at being cooped up 
and his feelings for Harry.
Dumbledore claims that Kreacher passed this information, but now I 
wonder about that.

It makes perfect sense for Snape to tell this to LV, 
since he had to pass some information on the Order and this would 
have seemed trivial. Maybe Dumbledore seeing the furious Harry 
already accusing Snape of having a hand in Sirius' death thought 
that it would be best for Harry not to know that it was Snape, and 
blamed Kreacher.
However this reqires Puppetmaster!Dumbledore and I really dont like 
the notion, so while I accept that it is possible, I'm discounting 
it for now.

So that leads us to his lying in Spinners End and Narcissa knowing 
that Snape was lying. Are they in this together?
Was it a plan to convince Bella and save Draco? Is this possibly 
proof for ACID POPS with Narcissa returning those feelings?
(Where, oh where, are ships when you need them?)

But I doubt it. Now, one can say that Narcissa nad Bellatrix *both*
know Snape is lying and are tricking Snape into a UV. True, so far 
we have not seen Bellatrix act in a sneaky, cunnning way so far, but 
she is a Slytherin right, she must have some of those traits?
So maybe they let that lie slide in order to further the plan of 
protecting Draco....but I dont think so somehow.

So I think that Snape lied in Spinners end, Narcissa was completely 
aware that he was lying, but since she wanted a lot from him just 
then, she allowed it to pass, but she knew that Snape was not really 
as loyal as he was making himself out to be.
THIS was the reason she asked for an Unbreakable Vow. She wanted 
proof of the man claiming to be on the Dark Side plus help for 
Draco, thus killing two birds with one stone.

Just rambling here, since I cant make sense of this part at all and 
am completely confused as to this remarkably see-through statement 
from an allegedly excellent spy.

(Puzzled) Elyse