Snape Wars vs Ship Wars was re: Cultural standards for Snape abusiveness/

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No: HPFGUIDX 144544

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
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> Of course there are people who think she did lose control with the
> shipping. Come to think of it, the arguments against R/H and H/G
> have an eerie similarity to the arguments against DDM Snape.

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> It might be interesting to see whether people who think the 
> ships were clumsily handled are also the people who are sure that
> Snape betrayed Dumbledore.


That's an interesting question.  It depends to a large extent on 
what you mean by the ships being clumsily handled.  Do you mean that 
R/H and H/G were not convincing pairings?  If so, I think most 
people who are against many formulations of DDM!Snape are perfectly 
comfortable with H/G and R/H.  In fact, both Nora and I have, on 
several occasions, stated the opinion that it is the argument FOR a 
certain kind of DDM!Snape that is most eerily similar to the 
arguments against the present ships.  The arguments for some types 
of DDM!Snape rely very heavily on the idea of subtext and Harry's 
limited POV -- exactly the arguments put forth against H/G and R/H.  
Many of us who argue for a Grey!Snape or an OFH!Snape, or that Snape 
has a very nasty karmic punishment in store, argue that JKR is, in 
fact, much more straightforward than many fans believe -- just as 
her decision to go with the present ships indicates.


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