The Twins / Ron / Weasleys

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No: HPFGUIDX 145080

> Betsy Hp:
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> I think part of their motivation was resentment over Molly's 
> constant praise for Percy.  Because I do agree that the twins have 
a 
> special bond with their mother.  And so I also agree that making 
> Molly cry was unforgivable to them.  Only Fred and George are 
> allowed to put their mother through hell.  Actually, I think only 
> Fred and George are allowed to receive *any* attention from Molly 
at 
> all.  Hence their dismal treatment of "perfect" Percy, over the 
> years.

Alla:

I again would like to ask you for canon - no, not Molly's praising 
Percy, but ANY sign, hint even that twins were jealous of it. I am 
afraid I don't remember it at all, but of course my memory is far 
from perfect.


> Betsy Hp:
> Respect?  They are certainly *entertained* by Molly's high volume 
> lectures, but respect?  Wouldn't that require them actually 
> *following* her orders?  I agree that Fred and George love their 
> mother, but I don't get the impression they think she has anything 
> to say actually worth listening to.

Alla:

Erm... Respect means following the orders? I think respect is 
appreciation of who the person is and twins say to Molly in 
HBP "Well, we find we appreciate you more and more, mum, now we're 
washing our own socks," said George, waving an airy hand. - p.339. 


 
> > >>Alla:
> > How do you know that Ron is about to become twins' enemy?
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Well, he might be becoming one *now*, what with his "talk to them 
> about who they're selling to" comment in HBP.  

Alla:

Wait, wait. Are you saying that lecturing the person for their 
mistakes means that the other person is the enemy now? Then, I 
suppose Ron and Harry and Harry and Hermione and Hermione and Ron 
had become enemies long time ago. Hermione especially loves 
lecturing the boys, IMO.  Dumbledore certainly lectured Harry for 
not putting his full attention into delivering Slughorn memory. 
Remus lectured Harry for sneaking into Hogsmeade in PoA. Anyways, no 
I disagree that this in any way hints to Ron becoming twins' enemy.


Betsy Hp:
> But I was more referring to them constantly pushing Ron down, 
making 
> sure he knew that the twins were not to be messed with.
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Alla:

Oh, doing what many older brothers do, IMO. But I would love to see 
any other examples besides the one you gave above about Ron's 
becoming their enemy. I mean, it is certainly a valid speculation, 
IMO, but I personally see no support in the text to that line of 
argument. JMHO of course,



Betsy Hp:
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  And Ron, ignored by 
> Molly, younger and smaller than the twins, not all that great a 
> secret keeper, would get it a lot worse, I think, than Percy ever 
> did.

Alla:

Ron  - a secret keeper???????


> Betsy Hp:
> When did that particular lesson occur?  I don't recall the twins 
> even being confronted with the fact that some of their products 
> ended up in Death Eater hands.

Alla:

Which one is the second product? 



 
> Betsy Hp:
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 (It's 
> interesting to me that Arthur was dead wrong in his assessment of 
> Percy's worth to the Ministry.  Percy has been separated from his 
> family for two years and for two administrations, and he's still 
> there.)
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Alla:

It is interesting to me that NONE of those administrations seems to 
be the kind of administration which really cares about people and 
takes care of people and is trying to do the right thing. IMO of 
course.

When decent Minister  comes to power AND Percy is still there, then 
I would think that Percy being there shows that he is a worthy 
person. For now, IMO it gives VERY little credit to Percy that he is 
still there. Again, IMO.


JMO,

Alla